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Posts tagged babs gordon

Jul 14 '14

The evolution of Barbara Gordon’s Batgirl costume.

Aug 9 '13

DC Universe Fancast: Birds of Prey

Starring:

Teal Sherer as Barbara Gordon/Oracle

Caterina Murino as Helena Bertinelli/Huntress

Sarah Michelle Gellar as Dinah Lance/Black Canary

Jul 26 '13
daggerpen:

jadedgreensage:

daggerpen:


Anonymous asks: hi, i’m new to the dc fandom & i don’t understand why babs is never included in the complete batfam? i see posts with bruce, dick, jason, tim, (sometimes steph & cass), damian, (maybe alfred), but no barbara. i don’t get why if she was batgirl? on that note, why are you anti-babsgirl?

Rebloggable by request.
Welcome to comics! My advice is to get out while you still can. Failing that, just give the entire New 52 a reboot and dive hard into the archives before the reboot.
To answer your questions, however:
1. Well, Babs’s position in the Batfam is a bit complicated. It’s not that she’s not closely associated with everyone, unlike Batwoman, who’s a bit more loosely affiliated, but she’s neither a Robin nor a Wayne, which are the two Batfam ensembles you’ll see most.
In general, there are a few common subgroups inside the whole Batclan:
1. Waynes - basically, Bruce Wayne + any children of his, whether adopted or biological. This includes Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake (due to later canon), Cassandra Cain, and Damian Wayne. It does not include either Barbara Gordon or Stephanie Brown, who have their own families, and it only recently included Tim Drake, whose father and stepmother were killed not long before OYL, which was a one-year timeskip in comics in the wake of Infinite Crisis that generally fucked shit up. You’ll occasionally also see Terry McGinnis, who, thanks to a vaguely obnoxious retcon, is also Bruce’s biological son, but he exists in a different continuity than the others.
2. Robins. This includes, in chronological order, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, and Damian Wayne. Carrie Kelley was also a Robin in Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight, and is thus occasionally included, as is Tim Drake from Batman: The Animated Series, who is called Tim Drake but has a backstory more similar to Jason’s.
3. Batgirls. This is the subgroup that includes Babs! It also includes Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown. This one is a little bit complicated as well- while Babs is the first Batgirl in continuity after Crisis on Infinite Earths, the first Batgirl ever was in fact Bat-Girl, AKA Betty Kane. Betty was introduced alongside Batwoman, Kathy Kane, so that the two of them could serve as the love interests for Robin and Batman respectively, thereby making the Dynamic Duo seem less gay in response to the accusations of Seduction of the Innocent. Ironically, Batwoman was later reintroduced as Kate Kane, who is a lesbian, and Bette Kane was reintroduced as her cousin and sidekick, Flamebird. So sometimes she’ll appear, too, but only rarely. Occasionally also seen is Helena Bertinelli, aka Huntress. During Baman: No Man’s Land, a story arc in which Gotham was struck by an earthquake and then officially declared to no longer be a part of the US and cut off from the rest of the world, Helena chose to stay behind in the city. Because Batman had disappeared for several months during No Man’s Land, Helena chose to become the Bat, wearing her own Bat costume whose design was later reused for Cassandra Cain. When Batman returned, she was given the name Batgirl, but she never chose that name for herself, meaning that she’s also kind of a quasi-Batgirl. Further, you will also sometimes see Nell Little, who was a huge Batgirl fan in Stephanie Brown’s Batgirl run, and who Stephanie, in a hallucination of the future, saw as the next Batgirl. Finally, an additional Batgirl has been introduced in the Batman Beyond continuity, the same continuity as Terry McGinnis and Batman: The Animated Series, but she does not currently exist in the main universe and has only recently been introduced, so she’s not really in any Batgirl stuff either.
Yeah, Batgirls are complicated.
Anyway! The point of this is that the Batfam, being huge, is often broken down into subgroups in various fanworks, only one of which Babs belongs to. In addition to that, Babs for the past almost 30 years before the reboot served in her own capacity as Oracle, managing her team the Birds of Prey and generally ruling over the internet with a shadowy hand, and generally being more powerful than Batman. Because she had her own “team,” she had kind of a dual membership between the Batfamily and the Birds of Prey. However, in full Batfamily portraits, she should absolutely be included.
2. Why am I anti-Babsgirl? Well, to understand this, let’s start by delving briefly into the history of Barbara Gordon.
As I said above, the original Batgirl was in fact Bat-Girl, Betty Kane, introduced alongside with Kathy Kane as love interests for Batman and Robin to try to trick the two into relationships and make them less gay. So when Babs was first introduced, she was progressive as fuck. She was not only a female counterpart to Batman, but incredibly competent. Batman didn’t even know who she was. Half of her entire deal was her incredible intelligence, grounds on which she stood even with Batman. Heck, at one point, she even became a congresswoman.
Shortly before The Killing Joke, and after Crisis on Infinite Earths, she retired from being Batgirl of her own volition - not because she was horribly embarassed or messed up horribly or any of the gross things typically done to drive female superheroes out of titles, or because she became disabled (that happened later), but of her own volition, because she felt she could do more good elsewhere. She became a librarian and retired from Batgirl because she felt it was time.
And then Alan Moore came along, with The Killing Joke. And he had a proposition - he wanted to tell a story exploring the Joker and his backstory, seen through the lens of the Joker trying to drive Babs’s father, Commissioner James Gordon, insane by giving him “one bad day.” 
And as part of this, he wanted to have the Joker shoot Barbara Gordon through the spine, making her disabled, and then strip her of her clothes and take photos of it in order to give her father general man angst. (This phenomenon, FYI, is known as “women in refrigerators”, a common practice in which female characters are killed, raped or otherwise brutalized in order to give male characters angst and character development. If you want to read up more on it, check this out.) What did Alan Moore’s editor Len Wein say in response to this proposal? “Yeah, okay, cripple the bitch.”
Suffice to say, it was not a shining moment of female empowerment.
Yet from this act of callous fridging, something truly amazing happened. Something beautifully and spectacularly progressive, a shining example of what comics could be, solid proof that superhero fantasies could truly be for everyone, not just cishet white able-bodied neurotypical men.
Barbara Gordon became Oracle. And as Oracle, she was so, so much more than she ever was as Batgirl.
To understand how truly progressive this was, I want to have a little bit of a side discussion about something known as ableism. Ableism is, in a nutshell, the belief that people with the most common levels of mental and physical ability are somehow better and more interesting than those with differing abilities; the belief that disabled people are somehow tragic, that their stories are uninteresting and their lives not worth living, that they are somehow less.
And yet… there’s no reason that things should be this way. Why? Because our definition of ability and disability, of what is and isn’t normal, is frankly rather arbitrary. Do people have different levels of ability? Sure. But why is it that, say, being bad at math is considered trivial, yet being bad at socialization is considered to make someone’s life not worthwhile? That no one really cares if you, say, can’t run a marathon, yet if you can’t walk entirely you’re considered worse off and discriminated against? It’s not like we don’t have the capability to make things accessible for everyone. It’s not like we can’t put ramps everywhere, and make the differences in transportation available to people without impaired mobility and wheelchair users trivial? Disability, then, is not really a matter of being disabled so much as a matter of having abilities that don’t really line up with what our infrastructure is built to accommodate.
And yet, disabled people are told again and again that their bodies or minds are somehow “wrong.” They are denied employment, they are pitied, they are mistreated, and sometimes, they are even killed by those they trusted, only for everyone else to look on and pity their murderer for the “hardship” of having to associate with someone who was apparently less than them. Disabled people are told that their bodies are wrong and that they should seek to be “cured,” that they are mistaken if they love their body or have no problem with the level of ability they have, that they are foolish and selfish if they are *proud* of the way they are. They are erased from media except as victims, or, even worse, as villains, when their physical or mental disability is said to have twisted them and made them evil.
This ableism becomes even more bizarre in the DCU, where an even vaster range of abilities are available. People in the DCU can routinely fly, or shoot lasers from their eyes, or see through walls, or lift cars, or run at the speed of light. And yet, the same level of ability considered “normal” in our world is considered so there. Hell, one of the most prominent and powerful superheroes in the DCU is Batman, who has no powers whatsoever, yet rather than being pitied for his lesser ability, it is said to make him more interesting! And yet we still see so very, very few disabled characters. It’s fine if you can’t see through walls, but god forbid you can’t see! It’s fine not to be able to hear people talking miles away, but god forbid you can’t hear at all! It’s fine not to be able to fly, but god forbid you can’t walk! Disabilities are still considered tragic, and even with the DCU’s massively advanced technology, we still can’t get a world designed for everyone to access - though I suppose this, at least, is not a surprise, because the same thing can be said of our own world.
And yet, in Oracle, we had this disabled woman who was one of the most powerful people on the planet. Who flipped ableist and sexist narratives on their heads and said, “Fuck you. I am here, and I am not broken.” In a genre defined by the power fantasies of those who already have more than enough power, we had Oracle, and she was everything. She worked for the Justice League and Batman at the same time, yet alongside all this also managed her own team of operatives, the Birds of Prey, and trained her legacy, the Batgirls Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain.
In fact, let’s talk about that legacy for a moment, and how on top of this already incredible character we got even more. 
When Babs as Batgirl was introduced, she was a very progressive character, yes. She was an icon of female empowerment. But she was also a white, neurotypical, then-able-bodied cishet woman from a middle-class family who interacted mostly with men. When Cassandra Cain was introduced, she was a biracial woman of color with a verbal disability who was taken under Babs’s wing. So in the Babs and Cass dynamic, we had two disabled women, one training the other, and one of them was an Asian abuse survivor. And not only that, but Cassandra was badass. Just as Babs was more powerful than Batman in the sphere of influence and information, Cassandra was more powerful than him in the sphere of combat, and was in fact a better fighter than even her mother Lady Shiva, who had previously held the title of the best martial artist in the DCU. So in Cass and Babs, we had a woman training a woman and generally passing the Bechdel test, disabled characters interacting with disabled characters, and a wildly popular Asian hero with her own book. It was incredible.
Babs’s and Steph’s relationship is also interesting. Unlike so many of the other Bats (except for Jason Todd, the second Robin, to whom Steph bore a variety of similarities and whose history is its own huge topic irrelevant to this discussion), Steph came from a low-income family and generally bad circumstances. When Steph first appeared, she was Spoiler, the daughter of the small-time villain the Cluemaster and his wife Crystal, who was at the time a drug addict. Most of her earlier stuff involved her stopping her father from committing crimes, but she later worked extensively as Spoiler alongside Tim Drake, the third Robin, and dated him for a while. What’s interesting about Steph, though, is that unlike so many of the other Batfamily members, she constantly had to fight for her place in the Batfam. She was discouraged time and time again by Batman and Robin alike, but was supported by her best friend Cassandra and her later mentor Barbara Gordon. So she was a female superhero breaking into a boys’ club who befriended the other women in this boys’ club, and she let nothing stop her. She was a teen mother and yet was not shamed for it. She was poor and yet was not shamed for it. 
Until War Games happened. For a few brief, glorious months, Steph got to be Robin. We got to have Robin, the Girl Wonder, and to see Steph acknowledged by the Batfamily as she’d always wanted to be. We got to see the new Batgirl and Robin, Cass and Steph, best friends, two girls kicking ass and taking names under the direction of Oracle, their own little girls’ club in the boys’ world, populated by a disabled woman, a disabled woman of color, and a woman from a poor family. And then she was summarily fired as Robin, duped into sparking off a massive gang war, and brutally murdered in a highly sexualized, victim-blamey way. Not long afterwards, the OYL event happened, and Cass suddenly went evil, turning from a powerful woman of color whose entire backstory was meant to show that you are not your parents, that abuse does not make you evil, that you can change and decide your own life path into a stereotyped Dragon Lady minus her verbal disabilities, all in order to make her a villain for the sake of White Male Superhero Tim Drake.
And yet, these two women came back from that. Cassandra got to become a hero again, her previous out of character behavior explained (somewhat poorly) as the result of Deathstroke controlling her. Stephanie Brown became Batgirl, supported by the two previous Batgirls Cassandra Cain and Barbara Gordon. While the way in which Steph became Batgirl was somewhat problematic in that it shoved aside her friend Cassandra Cain, swapping out the Asian hero for the white blonde-haired blue-eyed one, the core of Batgirl as a legacy title, of women supporting women, was still there. And while I disagreed with the way in which she became Batgirl, Steph’s ascension to Batgirl was something the character well deserved after all the bullshit she had gone through, after how long she had fought tooth and nail to stand alongside all the men of the Batfamily. Just as Babs did as Batgirl so, so long ago. It was wonderful. It was beautiful. When Cass came back as Black Bat, it was almost perfect.
And then the reboot happened. And in the reboot, we lost all of that. We lost Oracle, the disabled woman who was smarter and more influential than Batman. We lost Cassandra Cain, the disabled woman who could beat Batman in a fight. We lost Stephanie Brown, the woman from a poor background who let nothing keep her down. And in her place we got… Babsgirl. Not even as she had been before, when her introduction was progressive and her identity a mystery to even Batman himself, but as a tame, cheap version of herself, less her abilities, less the legacy she’d built up over almost 30 years, less her power and influence and proteges. And not only do we get this badly downgraded version of Barbara Gordon, but we get it at the expense of Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown, who are being systematically kept out of the New 52.
It used to be that we could look up and see BATGIRL and BLACK BAT, leaping, fighting and swinging over Gotham, then look behind them and see Barbara Gordon, ex-Congresswoman, undisputed lord of the internet and information, backbone of the superhero community, and proud mentor and disabled woman. And it was absolutely thrilling. But now, we look up and just see Barbara Gordon. In this world, where a man with no powers but money is considered equally powerful and interesting as the man who can destroy the entire planet without breaking a sweat, a disabled woman with more influence than either of them is somehow uninteresting and “broken.” Instead of a network of women mentoring and supporting women, we’ve turned the once icon of female and disabled empowerment into one of the sad few 17%, and erased her legacy.
Why am I anti-Babsgirl? Well, she stands for everything that is anti-me and my friends, for everything that tells us that we are not worthwhile, that we are lesser. So why the hell shouldn’t I return the favor?

daggerpen:

jadedgreensage:

daggerpen:

Anonymous asks: hi, i’m new to the dc fandom & i don’t understand why babs is never included in the complete batfam? i see posts with bruce, dick, jason, tim, (sometimes steph & cass), damian, (maybe alfred), but no barbara. i don’t get why if she was batgirl? on that note, why are you anti-babsgirl?

Rebloggable by request.

Welcome to comics! My advice is to get out while you still can. Failing that, just give the entire New 52 a reboot and dive hard into the archives before the reboot.

To answer your questions, however:

1. Well, Babs’s position in the Batfam is a bit complicated. It’s not that she’s not closely associated with everyone, unlike Batwoman, who’s a bit more loosely affiliated, but she’s neither a Robin nor a Wayne, which are the two Batfam ensembles you’ll see most.

In general, there are a few common subgroups inside the whole Batclan:

1. Waynes - basically, Bruce Wayne + any children of his, whether adopted or biological. This includes Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake (due to later canon), Cassandra Cain, and Damian Wayne. It does not include either Barbara Gordon or Stephanie Brown, who have their own families, and it only recently included Tim Drake, whose father and stepmother were killed not long before OYL, which was a one-year timeskip in comics in the wake of Infinite Crisis that generally fucked shit up. You’ll occasionally also see Terry McGinnis, who, thanks to a vaguely obnoxious retcon, is also Bruce’s biological son, but he exists in a different continuity than the others.

2. Robins. This includes, in chronological order, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, and Damian Wayne. Carrie Kelley was also a Robin in Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight, and is thus occasionally included, as is Tim Drake from Batman: The Animated Series, who is called Tim Drake but has a backstory more similar to Jason’s.

3. Batgirls. This is the subgroup that includes Babs! It also includes Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown. This one is a little bit complicated as well- while Babs is the first Batgirl in continuity after Crisis on Infinite Earths, the first Batgirl ever was in fact Bat-Girl, AKA Betty Kane. Betty was introduced alongside Batwoman, Kathy Kane, so that the two of them could serve as the love interests for Robin and Batman respectively, thereby making the Dynamic Duo seem less gay in response to the accusations of Seduction of the Innocent. Ironically, Batwoman was later reintroduced as Kate Kane, who is a lesbian, and Bette Kane was reintroduced as her cousin and sidekick, Flamebird. So sometimes she’ll appear, too, but only rarely. Occasionally also seen is Helena Bertinelli, aka Huntress. During Baman: No Man’s Land, a story arc in which Gotham was struck by an earthquake and then officially declared to no longer be a part of the US and cut off from the rest of the world, Helena chose to stay behind in the city. Because Batman had disappeared for several months during No Man’s Land, Helena chose to become the Bat, wearing her own Bat costume whose design was later reused for Cassandra Cain. When Batman returned, she was given the name Batgirl, but she never chose that name for herself, meaning that she’s also kind of a quasi-Batgirl. Further, you will also sometimes see Nell Little, who was a huge Batgirl fan in Stephanie Brown’s Batgirl run, and who Stephanie, in a hallucination of the future, saw as the next Batgirl. Finally, an additional Batgirl has been introduced in the Batman Beyond continuity, the same continuity as Terry McGinnis and Batman: The Animated Series, but she does not currently exist in the main universe and has only recently been introduced, so she’s not really in any Batgirl stuff either.

Yeah, Batgirls are complicated.

Anyway! The point of this is that the Batfam, being huge, is often broken down into subgroups in various fanworks, only one of which Babs belongs to. In addition to that, Babs for the past almost 30 years before the reboot served in her own capacity as Oracle, managing her team the Birds of Prey and generally ruling over the internet with a shadowy hand, and generally being more powerful than Batman. Because she had her own “team,” she had kind of a dual membership between the Batfamily and the Birds of Prey. However, in full Batfamily portraits, she should absolutely be included.

2. Why am I anti-Babsgirl? Well, to understand this, let’s start by delving briefly into the history of Barbara Gordon.

As I said above, the original Batgirl was in fact Bat-Girl, Betty Kane, introduced alongside with Kathy Kane as love interests for Batman and Robin to try to trick the two into relationships and make them less gay. So when Babs was first introduced, she was progressive as fuck. She was not only a female counterpart to Batman, but incredibly competent. Batman didn’t even know who she was. Half of her entire deal was her incredible intelligence, grounds on which she stood even with Batman. Heck, at one point, she even became a congresswoman.

Shortly before The Killing Joke, and after Crisis on Infinite Earths, she retired from being Batgirl of her own volition - not because she was horribly embarassed or messed up horribly or any of the gross things typically done to drive female superheroes out of titles, or because she became disabled (that happened later), but of her own volition, because she felt she could do more good elsewhere. She became a librarian and retired from Batgirl because she felt it was time.

And then Alan Moore came along, with The Killing Joke. And he had a proposition - he wanted to tell a story exploring the Joker and his backstory, seen through the lens of the Joker trying to drive Babs’s father, Commissioner James Gordon, insane by giving him “one bad day.” 

And as part of this, he wanted to have the Joker shoot Barbara Gordon through the spine, making her disabled, and then strip her of her clothes and take photos of it in order to give her father general man angst. (This phenomenon, FYI, is known as “women in refrigerators”, a common practice in which female characters are killed, raped or otherwise brutalized in order to give male characters angst and character development. If you want to read up more on it, check this out.) What did Alan Moore’s editor Len Wein say in response to this proposal? “Yeah, okay, cripple the bitch.”

Suffice to say, it was not a shining moment of female empowerment.

Yet from this act of callous fridging, something truly amazing happened. Something beautifully and spectacularly progressive, a shining example of what comics could be, solid proof that superhero fantasies could truly be for everyone, not just cishet white able-bodied neurotypical men.

Barbara Gordon became Oracle. And as Oracle, she was so, so much more than she ever was as Batgirl.

To understand how truly progressive this was, I want to have a little bit of a side discussion about something known as ableism. Ableism is, in a nutshell, the belief that people with the most common levels of mental and physical ability are somehow better and more interesting than those with differing abilities; the belief that disabled people are somehow tragic, that their stories are uninteresting and their lives not worth living, that they are somehow less.

And yet… there’s no reason that things should be this way. Why? Because our definition of ability and disability, of what is and isn’t normal, is frankly rather arbitrary. Do people have different levels of ability? Sure. But why is it that, say, being bad at math is considered trivial, yet being bad at socialization is considered to make someone’s life not worthwhile? That no one really cares if you, say, can’t run a marathon, yet if you can’t walk entirely you’re considered worse off and discriminated against? It’s not like we don’t have the capability to make things accessible for everyone. It’s not like we can’t put ramps everywhere, and make the differences in transportation available to people without impaired mobility and wheelchair users trivial? Disability, then, is not really a matter of being disabled so much as a matter of having abilities that don’t really line up with what our infrastructure is built to accommodate.

And yet, disabled people are told again and again that their bodies or minds are somehow “wrong.” They are denied employment, they are pitied, they are mistreated, and sometimes, they are even killed by those they trusted, only for everyone else to look on and pity their murderer for the “hardship” of having to associate with someone who was apparently less than them. Disabled people are told that their bodies are wrong and that they should seek to be “cured,” that they are mistaken if they love their body or have no problem with the level of ability they have, that they are foolish and selfish if they are *proud* of the way they are. They are erased from media except as victims, or, even worse, as villains, when their physical or mental disability is said to have twisted them and made them evil.

This ableism becomes even more bizarre in the DCU, where an even vaster range of abilities are available. People in the DCU can routinely fly, or shoot lasers from their eyes, or see through walls, or lift cars, or run at the speed of light. And yet, the same level of ability considered “normal” in our world is considered so there. Hell, one of the most prominent and powerful superheroes in the DCU is Batman, who has no powers whatsoever, yet rather than being pitied for his lesser ability, it is said to make him more interesting! And yet we still see so very, very few disabled characters. It’s fine if you can’t see through walls, but god forbid you can’t see! It’s fine not to be able to hear people talking miles away, but god forbid you can’t hear at all! It’s fine not to be able to fly, but god forbid you can’t walk! Disabilities are still considered tragic, and even with the DCU’s massively advanced technology, we still can’t get a world designed for everyone to access - though I suppose this, at least, is not a surprise, because the same thing can be said of our own world.

And yet, in Oracle, we had this disabled woman who was one of the most powerful people on the planet. Who flipped ableist and sexist narratives on their heads and said, “Fuck you. I am here, and I am not broken.” In a genre defined by the power fantasies of those who already have more than enough power, we had Oracle, and she was everything. She worked for the Justice League and Batman at the same time, yet alongside all this also managed her own team of operatives, the Birds of Prey, and trained her legacy, the Batgirls Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain.

In fact, let’s talk about that legacy for a moment, and how on top of this already incredible character we got even more. 

When Babs as Batgirl was introduced, she was a very progressive character, yes. She was an icon of female empowerment. But she was also a white, neurotypical, then-able-bodied cishet woman from a middle-class family who interacted mostly with men. When Cassandra Cain was introduced, she was a biracial woman of color with a verbal disability who was taken under Babs’s wing. So in the Babs and Cass dynamic, we had two disabled women, one training the other, and one of them was an Asian abuse survivor. And not only that, but Cassandra was badass. Just as Babs was more powerful than Batman in the sphere of influence and information, Cassandra was more powerful than him in the sphere of combat, and was in fact a better fighter than even her mother Lady Shiva, who had previously held the title of the best martial artist in the DCU. So in Cass and Babs, we had a woman training a woman and generally passing the Bechdel test, disabled characters interacting with disabled characters, and a wildly popular Asian hero with her own book. It was incredible.

Babs’s and Steph’s relationship is also interesting. Unlike so many of the other Bats (except for Jason Todd, the second Robin, to whom Steph bore a variety of similarities and whose history is its own huge topic irrelevant to this discussion), Steph came from a low-income family and generally bad circumstances. When Steph first appeared, she was Spoiler, the daughter of the small-time villain the Cluemaster and his wife Crystal, who was at the time a drug addict. Most of her earlier stuff involved her stopping her father from committing crimes, but she later worked extensively as Spoiler alongside Tim Drake, the third Robin, and dated him for a while. What’s interesting about Steph, though, is that unlike so many of the other Batfamily members, she constantly had to fight for her place in the Batfam. She was discouraged time and time again by Batman and Robin alike, but was supported by her best friend Cassandra and her later mentor Barbara Gordon. So she was a female superhero breaking into a boys’ club who befriended the other women in this boys’ club, and she let nothing stop her. She was a teen mother and yet was not shamed for it. She was poor and yet was not shamed for it. 

Until War Games happened. For a few brief, glorious months, Steph got to be Robin. We got to have Robin, the Girl Wonder, and to see Steph acknowledged by the Batfamily as she’d always wanted to be. We got to see the new Batgirl and Robin, Cass and Steph, best friends, two girls kicking ass and taking names under the direction of Oracle, their own little girls’ club in the boys’ world, populated by a disabled woman, a disabled woman of color, and a woman from a poor family. And then she was summarily fired as Robin, duped into sparking off a massive gang war, and brutally murdered in a highly sexualized, victim-blamey way. Not long afterwards, the OYL event happened, and Cass suddenly went evil, turning from a powerful woman of color whose entire backstory was meant to show that you are not your parents, that abuse does not make you evil, that you can change and decide your own life path into a stereotyped Dragon Lady minus her verbal disabilities, all in order to make her a villain for the sake of White Male Superhero Tim Drake.

And yet, these two women came back from that. Cassandra got to become a hero again, her previous out of character behavior explained (somewhat poorly) as the result of Deathstroke controlling her. Stephanie Brown became Batgirl, supported by the two previous Batgirls Cassandra Cain and Barbara Gordon. While the way in which Steph became Batgirl was somewhat problematic in that it shoved aside her friend Cassandra Cain, swapping out the Asian hero for the white blonde-haired blue-eyed one, the core of Batgirl as a legacy title, of women supporting women, was still there. And while I disagreed with the way in which she became Batgirl, Steph’s ascension to Batgirl was something the character well deserved after all the bullshit she had gone through, after how long she had fought tooth and nail to stand alongside all the men of the Batfamily. Just as Babs did as Batgirl so, so long ago. It was wonderful. It was beautiful. When Cass came back as Black Bat, it was almost perfect.

And then the reboot happened. And in the reboot, we lost all of that. We lost Oracle, the disabled woman who was smarter and more influential than Batman. We lost Cassandra Cain, the disabled woman who could beat Batman in a fight. We lost Stephanie Brown, the woman from a poor background who let nothing keep her down. And in her place we got… Babsgirl. Not even as she had been before, when her introduction was progressive and her identity a mystery to even Batman himself, but as a tame, cheap version of herself, less her abilities, less the legacy she’d built up over almost 30 years, less her power and influence and proteges. And not only do we get this badly downgraded version of Barbara Gordon, but we get it at the expense of Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown, who are being systematically kept out of the New 52.

It used to be that we could look up and see BATGIRL and BLACK BAT, leaping, fighting and swinging over Gotham, then look behind them and see Barbara Gordon, ex-Congresswoman, undisputed lord of the internet and information, backbone of the superhero community, and proud mentor and disabled woman. And it was absolutely thrilling. But now, we look up and just see Barbara Gordon. In this world, where a man with no powers but money is considered equally powerful and interesting as the man who can destroy the entire planet without breaking a sweat, a disabled woman with more influence than either of them is somehow uninteresting and “broken.” Instead of a network of women mentoring and supporting women, we’ve turned the once icon of female and disabled empowerment into one of the sad few 17%, and erased her legacy.

Why am I anti-Babsgirl? Well, she stands for everything that is anti-me and my friends, for everything that tells us that we are not worthwhile, that we are lesser. So why the hell shouldn’t I return the favor?

Jul 17 '13
batcheeks:

Here’s some awkward and badly drawn DickBabs
I try

Badly drawn?! I think it’s great! :-)

batcheeks:

Here’s some awkward and badly drawn DickBabs

I try

Badly drawn?! I think it’s great! :-)

Jun 23 '13

I’ve got you.

(Source: brickwonder)

May 12 '13
tinyredbird:


luanna255 asked you: Could you draw Oracle!Babs, please?

Babs babs babs, she got an eskrima watch out!

Thank you SO much for drawing this for me! *hugs* It’s adorable. :-)
And I love her outfit! Are the fishnets a reference to Dinah?

tinyredbird:

Thank you SO much for drawing this for me! *hugs* It’s adorable. :-)

And I love her outfit! Are the fishnets a reference to Dinah?

Apr 8 '13

hackingangel:

Guys

I’ve just now come up with the ridiculously awesome headcanon that Barbara Gordon’s favorite person from history is Ada Lovelace.

I mean think about it: 

  • Lovelace is often thought of as the first computer programer
  • She was insanely smart
  • When she was younger she got really sick and was paralyzed for a while
  • She knew in her heart and mind that she could do whatever she put her mind to and then she did it
  • She worked with one of the smartest men at the time

It’s PERFECT

I 100% endorse this headcanon! <3

Ada also had a really complicated relationship (non-relationship, really) with her father Lord Byron, who left when she was just a baby. Now, Babs and Jim have always had a great relationship, but if you go by the canon that her biological father was Jim’s brother who was an alcoholic and died when Babs was a little girl…

… Yeah, Babs had some definite abandonment issues over that.

Mar 14 '13

MY THOUGHTS

fyeahdickandbabs:

On the post of the scene between Martian Manhunter and Oracle are:

1) No one in a wheelchair would say no that quickly…really, the technology they’d use would be as natural as possible…check out what they’d done with Roy’s arm

2) The fact that she is able to walk again in the New 52 felt like her wish came true. A medical breakthrough that allowed her to walk again.

That being said, I support her New 52 mobility 100% and screw the ones who keep whinning about wanting her back in a wheelchair. 

MY thoughts on the scene when she calls Dick after knowing about Damian’s death:

1) He said he really wanned to talk to her, but he couldn’t in the moment. And he kinda knew she should focus on bigger problems. Felt like consideration, not coldness.

Well I think at another point Babs said she didn’t want to do any procedure that normal people wouldn’t have access to (meaning she didn’t want to do anything she could only get done because she was important to Batman/the JLA/etc). So I think it was a combination of that fact and that she didn’t want to so anything unnatural that prevented her for wanting to do anything pre-new 52.
Personally, I’m okay with Babs regaining the ability to walk. Although I will say I am very disappointed for any disabled readers out there who could look to Oracle for representation. But I think the problem a lot of fans have with the new 52 isn’t Babs regaining the ability to walk, it’s the fact that DC made her jump right back into the Batgirl role. Many felt like that was an identity she outgrew long ago (like how Dick outgrew Robin). I personally would have loved her to be something original, especially when she saw how many more people she helped as Oracle compared to Batgirl. I’m not saying she wouldn’t be itching to get back out there (I mean could you blame her?) but I would have liked to see her become something new (ideally a combination of a more mature Batgirl and Oracle — using her skills and knowledge to fight substantial crime online and with her operatives but then being able to go out on missions here and there). That’s just how I would have pictured a rehabilitated Babs.
As for the call about Damian I definitely agree it didn’t feel cold. I actually think the OP used a good term, the interaction just felt stiff. But I am glad that they acknowledged the first thing Babs would do upon hearing the news is make sure Dick is okay. And hopefully they’ll get their interaction during the Nightwing title

I’m sorry, I just have to rant about this a bit.

"Screw the ones who keep whining about wanting her back in a wheelchair"? No, I’m sorry, screw YOU. Not because you like New 52 Babs, which is fine. But because apparently, in your mind people who are disabled have no right to want to see a hero like them, a superhero who sends a message that heroism isn’t about which body parts you can and can’t move. In your mind, there is apparently no reason such a hero is inspiring or worth keeping. There is no worth in giving representation to characters outside of the able-bodied norm.

I’ve said numerous times that it’s not just about the wheelchair - as the mod of this site very rightly points out, it’s really about character growth. Whether Babs regained her mobility or not, it still makes no sense to me that she’d go back to being Batgirl, a role she had clearly outgrown. She is no longer a leader or a mentor as she was before the reboot. Her friendships outside of the Batfamily no longer exist. That is all worth getting upset about, wheelchair or no wheelchair.

But even if this were just about wanting representation for disabled people? How dare you invalidate that. How dare you act superior to fans who miss what Oracle used to represent.

I am so, SO tired of seeing people imply that fans who prefer Babs as Oracle are somehow not “real fans”. I am SO tired of hearing them make these same old arguments over and over again. Here, let me help you guys out, okay? Next time, before you open your mouth and make some comment about “the ones who keep whining about wanting her back in a wheelchair, maybe you could go and read this first:

Why I Prefer Babs as Oracle: Clearing Up Some Misconceptions

And you don’t have to agree, okay? You really, really don’t. You can love Babs being Batgirl again, and I won’t think any the lesser of you for it. But please, treat the Oracle fans with a little more respect. Because honestly, a lot of the bashing I see approaches outright ableism. Babs is not inherently “better” now that she can walk. And the fans who prefer her that way aren’t “better”, either.

Mar 8 '13
zakniteh:

duss005:

that one time when

bbys. No matter what the industry does to them, they are forever together in my mind.

^Agreed. And more importantly, they are together like this, as Nightwing and Oracle, with all of their history and character growth, and not as the pale shadows of themselves we&#8217;re seeing in the reboot. (*Note that I say this with no disrespect to the writers currently writing them, who I believe are doing their best under the mandates in place.)
But the important question that no one seems to be asking here is: Is this from an upcoming issue of Li&#8217;l Gotham?
Because if it is, I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ll be able to read that issue without excessive flailing, sqeeing, taking place. ;-)

zakniteh:

duss005:

that one time when

bbys. No matter what the industry does to them, they are forever together in my mind.

^Agreed. And more importantly, they are together like this, as Nightwing and Oracle, with all of their history and character growth, and not as the pale shadows of themselves we’re seeing in the reboot. (*Note that I say this with no disrespect to the writers currently writing them, who I believe are doing their best under the mandates in place.)

But the important question that no one seems to be asking here is: Is this from an upcoming issue of Li’l Gotham?

Because if it is, I’m not sure I’ll be able to read that issue without excessive flailing, sqeeing, taking place. ;-)

Mar 5 '13

fyeahdickandbabs:

unharbinger:

Because sometimes you just need an Oracle-beats-the-shit-out-of-everybody picspam. I miss Oracle.

I think I might have reblogged this already but you really can’t have too much of Oracle-beats-the-shit-out-of-everybody

Definitely not! Oracle being awesome is something I ALWAYS need in my life. <3

(Source: themyskira)

Feb 18 '13
fyeahdickandbabs:

dickie-grayson:

—nightwing #72

My headcanon: Babs rolled her eyes when Dick called her that but secretly she loved it

It would be hard for her to act too superior about it considering she used to call him exactly the same thing:

And let&#8217;s not forget the time she started off a letter to him with the words &#8220;my dearest darling&#8221;:

That&#8217;s so ridiculously gushy I&#8217;m torn between thinking it arguably doesn&#8217;t sound like Babs at all (&#8220;my darling&#8221; or &#8220;my dearest&#8221; would sound totally normal for Babs to me, but both?) and thinking it&#8217;s adorable. But I suppose even the most normally withdrawn can be ridiculously gushy sometimes when they&#8217;re in love, and after all, it did take them a long time to get to this point in their relationship. And Babs herself admits that Dick brings out that side of her:

Anyway, I, uh&#8230; why was I rambling about this, again?
Ah, right: Dick&#8217;s not the only one in this relationship who uses pet names, is what I&#8217;m saying. Babs would like you to think she&#8217;s so above that kind of thing, but she is really, really not.

fyeahdickandbabs:

dickie-grayson:

—nightwing #72

My headcanon: Babs rolled her eyes when Dick called her that but secretly she loved it

It would be hard for her to act too superior about it considering she used to call him exactly the same thing:

And let’s not forget the time she started off a letter to him with the words “my dearest darling”:

That’s so ridiculously gushy I’m torn between thinking it arguably doesn’t sound like Babs at all (“my darling” or “my dearest” would sound totally normal for Babs to me, but both?) and thinking it’s adorable. But I suppose even the most normally withdrawn can be ridiculously gushy sometimes when they’re in love, and after all, it did take them a long time to get to this point in their relationship. And Babs herself admits that Dick brings out that side of her:

Anyway, I, uh… why was I rambling about this, again?

Ah, right: Dick’s not the only one in this relationship who uses pet names, is what I’m saying. Babs would like you to think she’s so above that kind of thing, but she is really, really not.

(Source: falling-serenity)

Feb 14 '13
#happy birthday Lu #spam for your special day
Thank you! That&#8217;s an excellent present&#8230;

&#8230; oh, I don&#8217;t actually get shirtless!Dick for my birthday? Just OTP spam?

Well, that&#8217;s cool too, I guess&#8230; ;-)

#happy birthday Lu #spam for your special day

Thank you! That’s an excellent present…
… oh, I don’t actually get shirtless!Dick for my birthday? Just OTP spam?
Well, that’s cool too, I guess… ;-)

(Source: yellowcape)

Feb 13 '13
fuckyeahdickgrayson:

I’m sure that didn’t last very long …
From Birds of Prey #86

*snorts*
"Let&#8217;s never again beat ourselves up for not knowing everything", said the girl who thinks it&#8217;s her job to do exactly that to the guy who thinks it&#8217;s his job to be responsible for literally everybody else.
Yeah, that&#8217;ll be the day&#8230;

fuckyeahdickgrayson:

I’m sure that didn’t last very long …

From Birds of Prey #86

*snorts*

"Let’s never again beat ourselves up for not knowing everything", said the girl who thinks it’s her job to do exactly that to the guy who thinks it’s his job to be responsible for literally everybody else.

Yeah, that’ll be the day…

Feb 12 '13

30 Days of DC:

Day 8 - Canon Pairing You Ship

Barbara Gordon/Batgirl/Oracle & Dick Grayson/Robin/Nightwing/Batman

Why, no, I most certainly have not been putting off posting this until DCWKA’s Couple Tournament got to a match that I was seriously afraid Dick/Babs might lose. Not at all! Would I do a sneaky thing like that?

(Yes, I would.)

Okay, guys. Enough kidding around. All of you need to go vote Dick/Babs.

And here’s why:

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Feb 11 '13

fyeahdickandbabs:

—Nightwing #153

LOL, this post is rather coincidentally appropriate today. ;-)

Why doesn’t Dick Grayson take me flying for my birthday? Babs, I want your life.

(Seriously, Dick, goodness knows I spend enough time defending your reputation. I think you owe me at this point. xD)