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But what if Bruce gave Cass his mothers old jewelry. Like they’re going to a posh event and Cass doesn’t have any to wear, so he just lets her wear it. And then afterwards when she tries to give it back he tells her to keep it.
"Heirlooms are meant to be passed down, and they suit you infinitely better than they would Dick"
Under the cut because this is long, by the way, it’s a DickBabs moment, but not a particularly happy one, so warnings there, but anyone who is knowledgable about Babs and Dick’s relationship, I’d like your opinion on whether it was OOC of Dick or not.
Devin Grayson, for some reason, LOVES to write Dick as callously oblivious and Babs as perpetually annoyed. To me, that characterization of Dick reached its absolute point of unbelievability in this scene, from Nightwing #85:
Okay, first of all, I have issues with the way Babs is characterized here too, but that’s an entirely separate post.
But Dick, just… no. Babs basically never voices that kind of naked insecurity over her disability, and whether you consider it in-character for her here or not, there’s no doubt that if she did, Dick would immediately take notice and respond appropriately to reassure her. The way he brushes her off here is so cruelly insensitive to her feelings, it just makes me wince.
I mean, just compare that to how well he reads and responds to her insecurities in Nightwing #38 (written by Chuck Dixon), for example:
Now, Dick’s not perfect, and it’s certainly plausible that he could be too distracted or overworked/tired to read Barbara’s (or anyone else’s) mood correctly every once in a while. It’s also perfectly plausible that this could lead to him being accidentally insensitive now and then. I can also see him realizing Babs was in a bad mood and thinking being silly would cheer her up, but having it misfire.
But Dick is, as a rule, a pretty sensitive guy, and he’s good at reading people. Especially someone he’s as close to as Babs. Unless there was something pretty major distracting him, he’d likely realize his mistake pretty quickly in either of those situations, switch into serious mode, and talk things out properly with her. The way Devin Grayson just writes him as obliviously trampling all over Barbara’s feelings all the time often feels false to me.
The fact is, the way Devin Grayson writes their relationship, you almost feel like Dick doesn’t really understand Babs (however well he might think he does), and Babs may love Dick but she doesn’t really like him all that much. Neither of which is the way I see their relationship, nor the way other writers have portrayed it.
What’s particularly frustrating about Devin Grayson’s writing is that she’ll get it so completely right one moment, and then so utterly wrong the next. She’s a good (if problematic) writer, and her characterization can be wonderfully spot-on at times. But issues like this keep me from really appreciating the way she writes Dick and Babs.
during dick and damian’s time as batman and robin like there’s no way you can convince me that dick didn’t take him up to the top of the penthouse and was like “damian everything the light touches is our kingdom. a king’s time as ruler rises and falls like the sun. one day, damian, the sun will set on my time here, and will rise with you as the new king.”
and damian took these words to heart and engraved them into his psyche and got emotional about them
and like 5 years later when he’s in his mid-teens and hanging out with the titans, they watch the lion king and he’s so furious he literally walks out of the movie and calls dick and is like
THE FUCKING LION KING????????????????????
If they made a Batfamily TV show what would you like to see in it?
… Oh, sweet Anon. That is a long, long, LONG answer. One I’ve actually been working on for some time.
Short answer: I’d set it after Bruce’s death (and yes, he might come back, but there’d be a good two seasons at least before I’d let that happen), and have the rest of the family dealing with the aftermath of that. Quite a bit of comic canon (preboot), but I wouldn’t be slavishly following the comics, either.
First season: The Batfam both struggling to move on from Bruce’s death and also to solve the mystery of his murder. Dick debates whether to take on the Batman mantle or not. Cass goes off in search of her mother, leaving Steph to take over the Batgirl role in her absence. The family struggles to adjust to new member Damian. Kate Kane finds a new purpose in her life as Batwoman, but clashes with ex-girlfriend Renee Montoya, a Gotham cop growing increasingly disillusioned with her job.
Also featuring: Tim and Damian team up to save WayneTech, Damian faces off against ‘Aunt’ Nyssa, Selina discovers that she’s pregnant (and yes, it is Bruce’s in this universe), and Dick and Cass have a tickle-fight!
In tone, it would be character-driven and relationship-focused. And not a show that apologizes for being about superheroes and bends over backwards to be ‘realistic’ (though I’d keep things relatively grounded), but one that celebrates the genre and has fun with it. Think a mix of Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman (but less campy) and Batman: The Animated Series, with some Charmed and Buffy and The Avengers as influences, too. (Rather Whedon-esque in that there’d be lots of snark and banter, generally.)
And above all, it would be a show about family. To borrow what E. Duke Vincent said about Charmed, it would be about a family who happen to be superheroes, not superheroes who happen to be a family. And it would be about how family are the people who choose you, and the people you choose for yourself, and not necessarily the people who share your blood.
And it would be about moving on from loss, and finding the strength you didn’t know you had in yourself, and finding meaning in the world through giving something back to it. It would be about diversity (it is absolutely a must for me that Oracle be played by a paraplegic actress, and Dick by a Romani actor, and Damian by a Middle-Eastern and/or Asian actor) and believing in yourself and that you’re good enough. It would be about holding on to the people who matter in your life and loving them enough to fight to keep them in your life.
It would be about working on yourself and overcoming your inner demons, as well as the bad guys outside.
There would be dark moments, and sadness, and pain, and despair, but at the end of the day there would be hope, and love.
… And if I don’t stop there, I’ll really never shut up, so I’ll leave it at that.
So, with all the reading of comics, wiki-walking, and what not I’ve been doing over the last year or so, a thought occurred to me: We call it ‘the Batman Family’… then why is the theme that seems to be talked about the most with Batman ‘vengeance’ and ‘justice’?
Now, a lot of what I’ve see in the pages I’ve been reading, there is a lot of family aspects that do come up, but I’m talking about fan/reviewer/writer thought process here.
What a dead end vengeance and justice are when compared to the greater plot of familial connections. I’m told that the great trinity of Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman represent truth, hope, and justice respectively. I say no to that.
Truth, Hope, Love.
Think about it for a second. What gets Bruce started on the road to being the Dark Knight? The loss of his parents, the loss of a loving family. He starts his crusade, and along the way, he picks up Dick. A sidekick that becomes more then just a partner, but something of a son in some respects. The same with Barbra as a sort of niece/daughter, then Jason, Tim (eventually in an official capacity even). Cassandra Cain shows up and with Barbra taking her under wing, you get a sort of ‘mother/father’ aspect out of Babs and Bruce. Steph steps up too. Huntress and the rest of the birds of prey as (depending on parts of continuity) literal and extended family. Toss in Damian as an actual heir to the throne of Wayne…
Looking at the history I’ve been combing through and starting to read first hand, I don’t see a story about vengeance. I see a story about how people of different walks of life can come together to help fill the holes left in their hearts and become a family. Not one of blood (mostly) but one of spirit, forged in the same mission: To protect others and keep them from feeling the same pains they feel as much as they can.
There is more to this rant, but it would take a lot of fact checking on what I remember looking up months ago. When I’ve gotten farther in my reading and have done more research, I’ll elaborate on all of this.
Still, in the end I don’t see a story of justice. Not one of Vengeance. Those are starting points, not the whole saga.
Ultimately, I see a story of Love.
Brilliant, perfect, beautiful post. It IS a story of love. I just really wish DC still remembered that.
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