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some people think bruce is a terrible person for taking young boys and putting them in danger just to use them like his personal soldiers and that he was adult, therefore he shouldn't give to the children's whimps....I'm curiuos what will be your answer to that?
I do think there’s some truth to that, actually. He’s taking children as young as eight in some continuities (Dick was eight when he became Robin in the original canon) and taking them out to fight some of the most dangerous and evil criminals in the world. That’s iffy at best and criminally irresponsible at worst. The fact that he’s now lost three of the five mainverse Robins speaks to the truth of that, I think. I may not like DC’s decision to kill off those characters, but I can’t really argue that it’s unrealistic. (Of course, realistically Bruce would probably have died a hundred times over, too.) Even with the ones who survived, there were close calls - Two-Face nearly beat Dick to death when Dick was thirteen, for example (as told in Robin #0 of Tim’s series and Robin: Year One).
So how do you explain Bruce taking a risk like that with a child’s life without making him look like an awful person? To me, the best explanation is either (1) that he saw they were going to do it anyway, with or without his approval, and realized that in that case the best thing he could do would be to train them and keep them under his wing to give them their best chance of survival, or (2) he saw something in them that made him believe that, if they weren’t given crimefighting as an outlet, they would go down a worse path. These two explanations can also be combined. (And, of course, these are only general explanations - there were more specific factors at play for each of the Robins/Batgirls, but I’m not gonna go through that here.)
At the end of the day, it is hard to justify, though, and suspension of disbelief is really necessary - especially to explain why Bruce kept taking on Robins after Jason died. (“Batman needs a Robin” is all very well, but is that really justification for endangering a child’s life? What about what the child needs?) There’s never gonna be an explanation which makes perfect sense, there are only explanations which make more sense (and make Bruce look less irresponsible) than others.
But what if Bruce gave Cass his mothers old jewelry. Like they’re going to a posh event and Cass doesn’t have any to wear, so he just lets her wear it. And then afterwards when she tries to give it back he tells her to keep it.
"Heirlooms are meant to be passed down, and they suit you infinitely better than they would Dick"
Under the cut because this is long, by the way, it’s a DickBabs moment, but not a particularly happy one, so warnings there, but anyone who is knowledgable about Babs and Dick’s relationship, I’d like your opinion on whether it was OOC of Dick or not.
Devin Grayson, for some reason, LOVES to write Dick as callously oblivious and Babs as perpetually annoyed. To me, that characterization of Dick reached its absolute point of unbelievability in this scene, from Nightwing #85:
Okay, first of all, I have issues with the way Babs is characterized here too, but that’s an entirely separate post.
But Dick, just… no. Babs basically never voices that kind of naked insecurity over her disability, and whether you consider it in-character for her here or not, there’s no doubt that if she did, Dick would immediately take notice and respond appropriately to reassure her. The way he brushes her off here is so cruelly insensitive to her feelings, it just makes me wince.
I mean, just compare that to how well he reads and responds to her insecurities in Nightwing #38 (written by Chuck Dixon), for example:
Now, Dick’s not perfect, and it’s certainly plausible that he could be too distracted or overworked/tired to read Barbara’s (or anyone else’s) mood correctly every once in a while. It’s also perfectly plausible that this could lead to him being accidentally insensitive now and then. I can also see him realizing Babs was in a bad mood and thinking being silly would cheer her up, but having it misfire.
But Dick is, as a rule, a pretty sensitive guy, and he’s good at reading people. Especially someone he’s as close to as Babs. Unless there was something pretty major distracting him, he’d likely realize his mistake pretty quickly in either of those situations, switch into serious mode, and talk things out properly with her. The way Devin Grayson just writes him as obliviously trampling all over Barbara’s feelings all the time often feels false to me.
The fact is, the way Devin Grayson writes their relationship, you almost feel like Dick doesn’t really understand Babs (however well he might think he does), and Babs may love Dick but she doesn’t really like him all that much. Neither of which is the way I see their relationship, nor the way other writers have portrayed it.
What’s particularly frustrating about Devin Grayson’s writing is that she’ll get it so completely right one moment, and then so utterly wrong the next. She’s a good (if problematic) writer, and her characterization can be wonderfully spot-on at times. But issues like this keep me from really appreciating the way she writes Dick and Babs.
during dick and damian’s time as batman and robin like there’s no way you can convince me that dick didn’t take him up to the top of the penthouse and was like “damian everything the light touches is our kingdom. a king’s time as ruler rises and falls like the sun. one day, damian, the sun will set on my time here, and will rise with you as the new king.”
and damian took these words to heart and engraved them into his psyche and got emotional about them
and like 5 years later when he’s in his mid-teens and hanging out with the titans, they watch the lion king and he’s so furious he literally walks out of the movie and calls dick and is like
THE FUCKING LION KING????????????????????
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