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Posts tagged batgirl

Mar 6 '14
renaroo replied to your post:
He’s pretty consistent with Cass - but forces her to compare to *him* instead of the other kids. And sometimes Babs - which is where Cass feels the most insecure, trying to live up to Barbara. It’s like you said, I just wish he didn’t do it at all :(

Oh, that’s absolutely true, and a whole different kettle of fish - Bruce loves to compare the Batkids to himself, which is natural, but it can lead to each of them trying to remold themselves in his image.

There’s literally a scene (and I tried, but I can’t find it right now) where Dick literally says that he tried to become what he thought Bruce wanted - a younger version of himself.

I could write an entirely separate post about the Batkids trying to live up to Bruce’s image and feeling like they come up short.

With Cass feeling like she doesn’t measure up to Babs, I think a lot of that is tied into Cass’s insecurities about her own intelligence. With the physical fighting, I don’t feel like Cass has many insecurities - she knows she’s good. She knows she’s better than Barbara, better than almost any other fighter out there, pretty much. But the detective side is more of a struggle for her, because she was never taught that, and the fact that she has troubles with reading and language is something she’s very self-conscious about, I think. (At least at first - these insecurities are things she gets over as time goes on.)

Now, none of this is because Cass isn’t intelligent - she’s actually incredibly intelligent, and incredibly perceptive. She often notices details that other people overlook. But, I do think she has some insecurities in that area, and considering that Barbara’s greatest strength is her mind, I wonder if that doesn’t feed into Cass’s insecurities somewhat.

Jan 30 '14

There are two kinds of people in the world.

People who think that Jim Gordon totally knows all of the Batfam’s secret identities (but just can’t openly admit that he does).

And people who are wrong.

Jan 26 '14

Anonymous asked:

Dick and Babs :)

redlacedbird:

No ship bashing is going on here (obviously), it’s just that I got carried away and wrote too much. Brace yourselves :| 

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This is all good but I do want to step in and say that in the original canon, Babs was 7 years older than Dick. This was made pretty darn explicit:

From Batman Family #7 (September/October 1976) "I’ve got the what for her? Listen, she’s got to be seven years older -“ "Older women looked pretty good when I was your age, kid…” Perfection! We get a pretty solid hint at the age difference between Dick and Barbara and we get Dick-Bruce hilarity. I really couldn’t ask for more.

(Batman Family #7)

Barbara: I was getting used to having Dick around on these jaunts—I sorta miss him! He’s really kind of cute with his crush on me and I… What am I thinking? I’m 25 years old, and he’s still a teenager!  Batman Family 10

(Batman Family #10. Dick was in Hudson University at this time, so he was around 18 to Barbara’s 25 - which fits perfectly with the 7-year age difference mentioned in the last scene.)

Fans (and early shippers!) even commented on this at the time:

From the letter column of Batman Family #5 (May-June 1976) People shipped Dick and Babs even in the 1970s. Of course, it took DC over twenty years to step into the 20th century and realize that older woman-younger man relationships are okay.

(For the record, while I agree with Mr. (or Ms.?) Rivera in sentiment, I would point out that while 18 may technically be of legal age, a relationship between a teenager and someone significantly older is often problematic, regardless of gender.)

So you can accept whatever canon you like about their age difference (DC’s certainly changed their story plenty over the years), but you can’t really come along and say “Babs was 17 when she became Batgirl and anyone who doesn’t think so is wrong”, because that wasn’t the original canon and it wouldn’t become the canon until decades later. Per the original canon, Babs was old enough to already have a PhD when she became Batgirl:

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That’s from Detective Comics #359, the issue that introduced Babs to the world. In fact, those are the very first panels she appears in in her civilian identity. And one of the very first facts that the story goes out of its way to establish about her is that she has a PhD and graduated summa cum laude (with the highest honors).

Bear in mind that this was the sixties. The women’s lib movement was in full swing. Women around the world were fighting to break glass ceilings in education and careers. Barbara was officially conceived of and promoted as the new, feminist Batgirl (as opposed to Betty and Kathy Kane). If you don’t think her degree of education was part of that, I think you’re missing a big part of the picture here. Barbara’s PhD was a symbol of her power and intelligence, just like the fact that she later became a Congresswoman.

And the fact that DC felt the need to de-age her over the years, until in later versions of her backstory she’s too young to have had a PhD when she became Batgirl (although I’d point out that even in Batgirl: Year One, she’s already graduated from college early, not high school. That’s why she’s thinking of applying to police academy. Read the book’s Wikipedia entry, for example), too young to have been a Congresswoman in her Batgirl years, and so DC just retconned these elements right out of her backstory… well, that says something pretty un-empowering, IMO. Especially when you consider that Barbara’s romantic relationship with Dick, and the idea that people would be put off by having her be too much older than him, may well have played a role in the change. I’ll give DC the benefit of the doubt and say maybe they were just trying to appeal to a younger audience, and thought books like Batgirl: Year One would sell better with a teenage protagonist. But the implications there aren’t so great, either.

But back to the original canon. Regardless of which origin story you’re going by, you’re definitely right that Dick was a teenager and not a child when Babs became Batgirl. How old exactly? Unclear. Old enough to have already founded the Teen Titans a while back (the Titans were officially formed in 1965, Babs debuted in ‘67). Also old enough that it wouldn’t be too long before he headed off to college (which happened in Batman #217, published in 1969). But still young enough that he was drawn as significantly shorter than Babs:

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(Detective Comics #359)

So… my best guess would be that Dick’s around sixteen here, and that him heading off to college was around a year later in comic-time. According to the seven-year age difference established in the Batman Family era, that makes Babs around 23. Which is a bit young to already have a PhD, but we can just accept that maybe she skipped some grades in this version of canon as well. ;-)

Sorry to be going on and on about this, but the thing is, I’m one of those people who actually likes Dick and Barbara’s original age difference. I like Babs having been a bit older and more mature (and do bear in mind, 23 is still not old) as Batgirl. I like her already having been highly educated. I like the element it brings to Dick’s unrequited crush on her back in his Robin days - it makes sense to me that as someone who was dealing with some very adult issues at a young age and had to grow up fast, Dick would have felt drawn towards someone older. It also makes sense that Babs, although thinking he was cute, wouldn’t have been interested in a teenager. (The fact that my own first crush was on someone older probably also factors into why I like this version of canon so much, I admit!) And I also like the element it bring to their adult relationship - even today, it’s still common to see younger women paired up with older men but pretty rare to see the reverse (especially without obnoxious “cougar” comments). And it’s not like seven years would have been a problematic age difference once they were in their twenties-thirties (which is when they actually became a couple, as you rightly point out).

So, IDK, I actually really like the original canon here, and I don’t think there was any good reason for DC to change it. And you can absolutely think differently, but the point is that people who canon Babs as being significantly older than Dick aren’t actually wrong.

Dec 10 '13

cleromancy:

You’re my brother, Dick. You’ll always be there for me.

oh my gOd

(Source: )

Dec 10 '13
fuckyeahcassandracain:

Love this brief little moment of reassurance.

I really wish we got to see more of this kind of relationship between Dick and Cass.

fuckyeahcassandracain:

Love this brief little moment of reassurance.

I really wish we got to see more of this kind of relationship between Dick and Cass.

Nov 22 '13

lairofrobins:

But what if Bruce gave Cass his mothers old jewelry. Like they’re going to a posh event and Cass doesn’t have any to wear, so he just lets her wear it. And then afterwards when she tries to give it back he tells her to keep it.

"Heirlooms are meant to be passed down, and they suit you infinitely better than they would Dick"

(Source: forgoodnessdrakes)

Oct 2 '13

(Source: gabzilla-z)

Oct 2 '13

richbastardbat:

discowing:

way-schway:

dc-nightwing:

“like father like son”

My favorite Bat thing in common.

(Source: bridgemcgidge)

Oct 2 '13
mikemaihack:

Final (for now) commission for two characters I’ve been wanting to draw for a while- Damian Wayne and Stephanie Brown (as Batgirl).
Apparently I also seem to enjoy drawing characters annoyed with things atop of their head. Somebody’s about to lose a limb.

mikemaihack:

Final (for now) commission for two characters I’ve been wanting to draw for a while- Damian Wayne and Stephanie Brown (as Batgirl).

Apparently I also seem to enjoy drawing characters annoyed with things atop of their head. Somebody’s about to lose a limb.

Sep 15 '13
kylewithenvy:

Art of the Day:  For Bruce Wayne, as thanks.  I’m gonna love my WayneTech tablet, and I wanted to give him something he’d love too.
- Kyle Rayner

How does this not have more notes?!

kylewithenvy:

Art of the Day:  For Bruce Wayne, as thanks.  I’m gonna love my WayneTech tablet, and I wanted to give him something he’d love too.

- Kyle Rayner

How does this not have more notes?!

Sep 8 '13

hayuriza-deactivated20140202 asked:

top 5 best brother ever dick grayson moments ;)

*consults my handy-dandy tag*

#1 - The moment I consider “big brother Dick” to really have been born - giving Jason his blessing as Robin and telling him to call on him any time:

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#2 - Reading Cinderella for Cass and acting out all the parts:

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(Do I care that we never actually see this happen on-panel? No. No, I do not. It is still one of my all-time favorites, because it’s amazing and perfect and that is all.)

#3 - A thousand ninjas is just the start of what he would do for Tim:

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#4 - His love and belief in Tim:

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#5 - Teaching and reassuring Damian:

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Aug 29 '13

30 Days of DC:

Day 10 - Favorite Batfamily Member

Stephanie Brown/Spoiler/Robin/Batgirl

Okay, this sat in my Drafts for months and months, literally, while I tried to find time to write an essay that adequately describes Steph’s amazingness.

And then I realized, darnit, if I keep putting it off posting these until I have time to write a perfect manifesto for every character, I will never finish this meme, and besides, there’s not much I can say about Steph’s character that hasn’t been said before. So I’ll keep this brief:

Steph is such a great character. People talk a lot about how she brought some much-needed light-heartedness and fun to the Batfamily, and that’s true, but she’s so much more than that. She has a core of absolute steel. This girl has been kicked down by life so many times, and she just keeps getting back on her feet because darn it, she’s better than that and she knows it. And yeah, she keeps her sanity and her sense of humor intact through it all, and that’s awesome, but maybe the most awesome thing is the way she keeps her sense of self. She knows when she’s made a mistake and she learns from it, but she never apologizes for who she is no matter how much people try to make her feel like she should. She’s fun and she can be silly sometimes, but mainly she’s just incredibly strong. It’s awe-inspiring.

And yes, the DCU needs her back, but I’m hardly the first to say that, am I?

Aug 29 '13

brianamatopoeia:

Sometimes we don’t see eye to eye, but we usually kiss and make up.

(x)

Jul 26 '13
daggerpen:

jadedgreensage:

daggerpen:


Anonymous asks: hi, i’m new to the dc fandom & i don’t understand why babs is never included in the complete batfam? i see posts with bruce, dick, jason, tim, (sometimes steph & cass), damian, (maybe alfred), but no barbara. i don’t get why if she was batgirl? on that note, why are you anti-babsgirl?

Rebloggable by request.
Welcome to comics! My advice is to get out while you still can. Failing that, just give the entire New 52 a reboot and dive hard into the archives before the reboot.
To answer your questions, however:
1. Well, Babs’s position in the Batfam is a bit complicated. It’s not that she’s not closely associated with everyone, unlike Batwoman, who’s a bit more loosely affiliated, but she’s neither a Robin nor a Wayne, which are the two Batfam ensembles you’ll see most.
In general, there are a few common subgroups inside the whole Batclan:
1. Waynes - basically, Bruce Wayne + any children of his, whether adopted or biological. This includes Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake (due to later canon), Cassandra Cain, and Damian Wayne. It does not include either Barbara Gordon or Stephanie Brown, who have their own families, and it only recently included Tim Drake, whose father and stepmother were killed not long before OYL, which was a one-year timeskip in comics in the wake of Infinite Crisis that generally fucked shit up. You’ll occasionally also see Terry McGinnis, who, thanks to a vaguely obnoxious retcon, is also Bruce’s biological son, but he exists in a different continuity than the others.
2. Robins. This includes, in chronological order, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, and Damian Wayne. Carrie Kelley was also a Robin in Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight, and is thus occasionally included, as is Tim Drake from Batman: The Animated Series, who is called Tim Drake but has a backstory more similar to Jason’s.
3. Batgirls. This is the subgroup that includes Babs! It also includes Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown. This one is a little bit complicated as well- while Babs is the first Batgirl in continuity after Crisis on Infinite Earths, the first Batgirl ever was in fact Bat-Girl, AKA Betty Kane. Betty was introduced alongside Batwoman, Kathy Kane, so that the two of them could serve as the love interests for Robin and Batman respectively, thereby making the Dynamic Duo seem less gay in response to the accusations of Seduction of the Innocent. Ironically, Batwoman was later reintroduced as Kate Kane, who is a lesbian, and Bette Kane was reintroduced as her cousin and sidekick, Flamebird. So sometimes she’ll appear, too, but only rarely. Occasionally also seen is Helena Bertinelli, aka Huntress. During Baman: No Man’s Land, a story arc in which Gotham was struck by an earthquake and then officially declared to no longer be a part of the US and cut off from the rest of the world, Helena chose to stay behind in the city. Because Batman had disappeared for several months during No Man’s Land, Helena chose to become the Bat, wearing her own Bat costume whose design was later reused for Cassandra Cain. When Batman returned, she was given the name Batgirl, but she never chose that name for herself, meaning that she’s also kind of a quasi-Batgirl. Further, you will also sometimes see Nell Little, who was a huge Batgirl fan in Stephanie Brown’s Batgirl run, and who Stephanie, in a hallucination of the future, saw as the next Batgirl. Finally, an additional Batgirl has been introduced in the Batman Beyond continuity, the same continuity as Terry McGinnis and Batman: The Animated Series, but she does not currently exist in the main universe and has only recently been introduced, so she’s not really in any Batgirl stuff either.
Yeah, Batgirls are complicated.
Anyway! The point of this is that the Batfam, being huge, is often broken down into subgroups in various fanworks, only one of which Babs belongs to. In addition to that, Babs for the past almost 30 years before the reboot served in her own capacity as Oracle, managing her team the Birds of Prey and generally ruling over the internet with a shadowy hand, and generally being more powerful than Batman. Because she had her own “team,” she had kind of a dual membership between the Batfamily and the Birds of Prey. However, in full Batfamily portraits, she should absolutely be included.
2. Why am I anti-Babsgirl? Well, to understand this, let’s start by delving briefly into the history of Barbara Gordon.
As I said above, the original Batgirl was in fact Bat-Girl, Betty Kane, introduced alongside with Kathy Kane as love interests for Batman and Robin to try to trick the two into relationships and make them less gay. So when Babs was first introduced, she was progressive as fuck. She was not only a female counterpart to Batman, but incredibly competent. Batman didn’t even know who she was. Half of her entire deal was her incredible intelligence, grounds on which she stood even with Batman. Heck, at one point, she even became a congresswoman.
Shortly before The Killing Joke, and after Crisis on Infinite Earths, she retired from being Batgirl of her own volition - not because she was horribly embarassed or messed up horribly or any of the gross things typically done to drive female superheroes out of titles, or because she became disabled (that happened later), but of her own volition, because she felt she could do more good elsewhere. She became a librarian and retired from Batgirl because she felt it was time.
And then Alan Moore came along, with The Killing Joke. And he had a proposition - he wanted to tell a story exploring the Joker and his backstory, seen through the lens of the Joker trying to drive Babs’s father, Commissioner James Gordon, insane by giving him “one bad day.” 
And as part of this, he wanted to have the Joker shoot Barbara Gordon through the spine, making her disabled, and then strip her of her clothes and take photos of it in order to give her father general man angst. (This phenomenon, FYI, is known as “women in refrigerators”, a common practice in which female characters are killed, raped or otherwise brutalized in order to give male characters angst and character development. If you want to read up more on it, check this out.) What did Alan Moore’s editor Len Wein say in response to this proposal? “Yeah, okay, cripple the bitch.”
Suffice to say, it was not a shining moment of female empowerment.
Yet from this act of callous fridging, something truly amazing happened. Something beautifully and spectacularly progressive, a shining example of what comics could be, solid proof that superhero fantasies could truly be for everyone, not just cishet white able-bodied neurotypical men.
Barbara Gordon became Oracle. And as Oracle, she was so, so much more than she ever was as Batgirl.
To understand how truly progressive this was, I want to have a little bit of a side discussion about something known as ableism. Ableism is, in a nutshell, the belief that people with the most common levels of mental and physical ability are somehow better and more interesting than those with differing abilities; the belief that disabled people are somehow tragic, that their stories are uninteresting and their lives not worth living, that they are somehow less.
And yet… there’s no reason that things should be this way. Why? Because our definition of ability and disability, of what is and isn’t normal, is frankly rather arbitrary. Do people have different levels of ability? Sure. But why is it that, say, being bad at math is considered trivial, yet being bad at socialization is considered to make someone’s life not worthwhile? That no one really cares if you, say, can’t run a marathon, yet if you can’t walk entirely you’re considered worse off and discriminated against? It’s not like we don’t have the capability to make things accessible for everyone. It’s not like we can’t put ramps everywhere, and make the differences in transportation available to people without impaired mobility and wheelchair users trivial? Disability, then, is not really a matter of being disabled so much as a matter of having abilities that don’t really line up with what our infrastructure is built to accommodate.
And yet, disabled people are told again and again that their bodies or minds are somehow “wrong.” They are denied employment, they are pitied, they are mistreated, and sometimes, they are even killed by those they trusted, only for everyone else to look on and pity their murderer for the “hardship” of having to associate with someone who was apparently less than them. Disabled people are told that their bodies are wrong and that they should seek to be “cured,” that they are mistaken if they love their body or have no problem with the level of ability they have, that they are foolish and selfish if they are *proud* of the way they are. They are erased from media except as victims, or, even worse, as villains, when their physical or mental disability is said to have twisted them and made them evil.
This ableism becomes even more bizarre in the DCU, where an even vaster range of abilities are available. People in the DCU can routinely fly, or shoot lasers from their eyes, or see through walls, or lift cars, or run at the speed of light. And yet, the same level of ability considered “normal” in our world is considered so there. Hell, one of the most prominent and powerful superheroes in the DCU is Batman, who has no powers whatsoever, yet rather than being pitied for his lesser ability, it is said to make him more interesting! And yet we still see so very, very few disabled characters. It’s fine if you can’t see through walls, but god forbid you can’t see! It’s fine not to be able to hear people talking miles away, but god forbid you can’t hear at all! It’s fine not to be able to fly, but god forbid you can’t walk! Disabilities are still considered tragic, and even with the DCU’s massively advanced technology, we still can’t get a world designed for everyone to access - though I suppose this, at least, is not a surprise, because the same thing can be said of our own world.
And yet, in Oracle, we had this disabled woman who was one of the most powerful people on the planet. Who flipped ableist and sexist narratives on their heads and said, “Fuck you. I am here, and I am not broken.” In a genre defined by the power fantasies of those who already have more than enough power, we had Oracle, and she was everything. She worked for the Justice League and Batman at the same time, yet alongside all this also managed her own team of operatives, the Birds of Prey, and trained her legacy, the Batgirls Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain.
In fact, let’s talk about that legacy for a moment, and how on top of this already incredible character we got even more. 
When Babs as Batgirl was introduced, she was a very progressive character, yes. She was an icon of female empowerment. But she was also a white, neurotypical, then-able-bodied cishet woman from a middle-class family who interacted mostly with men. When Cassandra Cain was introduced, she was a biracial woman of color with a verbal disability who was taken under Babs’s wing. So in the Babs and Cass dynamic, we had two disabled women, one training the other, and one of them was an Asian abuse survivor. And not only that, but Cassandra was badass. Just as Babs was more powerful than Batman in the sphere of influence and information, Cassandra was more powerful than him in the sphere of combat, and was in fact a better fighter than even her mother Lady Shiva, who had previously held the title of the best martial artist in the DCU. So in Cass and Babs, we had a woman training a woman and generally passing the Bechdel test, disabled characters interacting with disabled characters, and a wildly popular Asian hero with her own book. It was incredible.
Babs’s and Steph’s relationship is also interesting. Unlike so many of the other Bats (except for Jason Todd, the second Robin, to whom Steph bore a variety of similarities and whose history is its own huge topic irrelevant to this discussion), Steph came from a low-income family and generally bad circumstances. When Steph first appeared, she was Spoiler, the daughter of the small-time villain the Cluemaster and his wife Crystal, who was at the time a drug addict. Most of her earlier stuff involved her stopping her father from committing crimes, but she later worked extensively as Spoiler alongside Tim Drake, the third Robin, and dated him for a while. What’s interesting about Steph, though, is that unlike so many of the other Batfamily members, she constantly had to fight for her place in the Batfam. She was discouraged time and time again by Batman and Robin alike, but was supported by her best friend Cassandra and her later mentor Barbara Gordon. So she was a female superhero breaking into a boys’ club who befriended the other women in this boys’ club, and she let nothing stop her. She was a teen mother and yet was not shamed for it. She was poor and yet was not shamed for it. 
Until War Games happened. For a few brief, glorious months, Steph got to be Robin. We got to have Robin, the Girl Wonder, and to see Steph acknowledged by the Batfamily as she’d always wanted to be. We got to see the new Batgirl and Robin, Cass and Steph, best friends, two girls kicking ass and taking names under the direction of Oracle, their own little girls’ club in the boys’ world, populated by a disabled woman, a disabled woman of color, and a woman from a poor family. And then she was summarily fired as Robin, duped into sparking off a massive gang war, and brutally murdered in a highly sexualized, victim-blamey way. Not long afterwards, the OYL event happened, and Cass suddenly went evil, turning from a powerful woman of color whose entire backstory was meant to show that you are not your parents, that abuse does not make you evil, that you can change and decide your own life path into a stereotyped Dragon Lady minus her verbal disabilities, all in order to make her a villain for the sake of White Male Superhero Tim Drake.
And yet, these two women came back from that. Cassandra got to become a hero again, her previous out of character behavior explained (somewhat poorly) as the result of Deathstroke controlling her. Stephanie Brown became Batgirl, supported by the two previous Batgirls Cassandra Cain and Barbara Gordon. While the way in which Steph became Batgirl was somewhat problematic in that it shoved aside her friend Cassandra Cain, swapping out the Asian hero for the white blonde-haired blue-eyed one, the core of Batgirl as a legacy title, of women supporting women, was still there. And while I disagreed with the way in which she became Batgirl, Steph’s ascension to Batgirl was something the character well deserved after all the bullshit she had gone through, after how long she had fought tooth and nail to stand alongside all the men of the Batfamily. Just as Babs did as Batgirl so, so long ago. It was wonderful. It was beautiful. When Cass came back as Black Bat, it was almost perfect.
And then the reboot happened. And in the reboot, we lost all of that. We lost Oracle, the disabled woman who was smarter and more influential than Batman. We lost Cassandra Cain, the disabled woman who could beat Batman in a fight. We lost Stephanie Brown, the woman from a poor background who let nothing keep her down. And in her place we got… Babsgirl. Not even as she had been before, when her introduction was progressive and her identity a mystery to even Batman himself, but as a tame, cheap version of herself, less her abilities, less the legacy she’d built up over almost 30 years, less her power and influence and proteges. And not only do we get this badly downgraded version of Barbara Gordon, but we get it at the expense of Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown, who are being systematically kept out of the New 52.
It used to be that we could look up and see BATGIRL and BLACK BAT, leaping, fighting and swinging over Gotham, then look behind them and see Barbara Gordon, ex-Congresswoman, undisputed lord of the internet and information, backbone of the superhero community, and proud mentor and disabled woman. And it was absolutely thrilling. But now, we look up and just see Barbara Gordon. In this world, where a man with no powers but money is considered equally powerful and interesting as the man who can destroy the entire planet without breaking a sweat, a disabled woman with more influence than either of them is somehow uninteresting and “broken.” Instead of a network of women mentoring and supporting women, we’ve turned the once icon of female and disabled empowerment into one of the sad few 17%, and erased her legacy.
Why am I anti-Babsgirl? Well, she stands for everything that is anti-me and my friends, for everything that tells us that we are not worthwhile, that we are lesser. So why the hell shouldn’t I return the favor?

daggerpen:

jadedgreensage:

daggerpen:

Anonymous asks: hi, i’m new to the dc fandom & i don’t understand why babs is never included in the complete batfam? i see posts with bruce, dick, jason, tim, (sometimes steph & cass), damian, (maybe alfred), but no barbara. i don’t get why if she was batgirl? on that note, why are you anti-babsgirl?

Rebloggable by request.

Welcome to comics! My advice is to get out while you still can. Failing that, just give the entire New 52 a reboot and dive hard into the archives before the reboot.

To answer your questions, however:

1. Well, Babs’s position in the Batfam is a bit complicated. It’s not that she’s not closely associated with everyone, unlike Batwoman, who’s a bit more loosely affiliated, but she’s neither a Robin nor a Wayne, which are the two Batfam ensembles you’ll see most.

In general, there are a few common subgroups inside the whole Batclan:

1. Waynes - basically, Bruce Wayne + any children of his, whether adopted or biological. This includes Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake (due to later canon), Cassandra Cain, and Damian Wayne. It does not include either Barbara Gordon or Stephanie Brown, who have their own families, and it only recently included Tim Drake, whose father and stepmother were killed not long before OYL, which was a one-year timeskip in comics in the wake of Infinite Crisis that generally fucked shit up. You’ll occasionally also see Terry McGinnis, who, thanks to a vaguely obnoxious retcon, is also Bruce’s biological son, but he exists in a different continuity than the others.

2. Robins. This includes, in chronological order, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, and Damian Wayne. Carrie Kelley was also a Robin in Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight, and is thus occasionally included, as is Tim Drake from Batman: The Animated Series, who is called Tim Drake but has a backstory more similar to Jason’s.

3. Batgirls. This is the subgroup that includes Babs! It also includes Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown. This one is a little bit complicated as well- while Babs is the first Batgirl in continuity after Crisis on Infinite Earths, the first Batgirl ever was in fact Bat-Girl, AKA Betty Kane. Betty was introduced alongside Batwoman, Kathy Kane, so that the two of them could serve as the love interests for Robin and Batman respectively, thereby making the Dynamic Duo seem less gay in response to the accusations of Seduction of the Innocent. Ironically, Batwoman was later reintroduced as Kate Kane, who is a lesbian, and Bette Kane was reintroduced as her cousin and sidekick, Flamebird. So sometimes she’ll appear, too, but only rarely. Occasionally also seen is Helena Bertinelli, aka Huntress. During Baman: No Man’s Land, a story arc in which Gotham was struck by an earthquake and then officially declared to no longer be a part of the US and cut off from the rest of the world, Helena chose to stay behind in the city. Because Batman had disappeared for several months during No Man’s Land, Helena chose to become the Bat, wearing her own Bat costume whose design was later reused for Cassandra Cain. When Batman returned, she was given the name Batgirl, but she never chose that name for herself, meaning that she’s also kind of a quasi-Batgirl. Further, you will also sometimes see Nell Little, who was a huge Batgirl fan in Stephanie Brown’s Batgirl run, and who Stephanie, in a hallucination of the future, saw as the next Batgirl. Finally, an additional Batgirl has been introduced in the Batman Beyond continuity, the same continuity as Terry McGinnis and Batman: The Animated Series, but she does not currently exist in the main universe and has only recently been introduced, so she’s not really in any Batgirl stuff either.

Yeah, Batgirls are complicated.

Anyway! The point of this is that the Batfam, being huge, is often broken down into subgroups in various fanworks, only one of which Babs belongs to. In addition to that, Babs for the past almost 30 years before the reboot served in her own capacity as Oracle, managing her team the Birds of Prey and generally ruling over the internet with a shadowy hand, and generally being more powerful than Batman. Because she had her own “team,” she had kind of a dual membership between the Batfamily and the Birds of Prey. However, in full Batfamily portraits, she should absolutely be included.

2. Why am I anti-Babsgirl? Well, to understand this, let’s start by delving briefly into the history of Barbara Gordon.

As I said above, the original Batgirl was in fact Bat-Girl, Betty Kane, introduced alongside with Kathy Kane as love interests for Batman and Robin to try to trick the two into relationships and make them less gay. So when Babs was first introduced, she was progressive as fuck. She was not only a female counterpart to Batman, but incredibly competent. Batman didn’t even know who she was. Half of her entire deal was her incredible intelligence, grounds on which she stood even with Batman. Heck, at one point, she even became a congresswoman.

Shortly before The Killing Joke, and after Crisis on Infinite Earths, she retired from being Batgirl of her own volition - not because she was horribly embarassed or messed up horribly or any of the gross things typically done to drive female superheroes out of titles, or because she became disabled (that happened later), but of her own volition, because she felt she could do more good elsewhere. She became a librarian and retired from Batgirl because she felt it was time.

And then Alan Moore came along, with The Killing Joke. And he had a proposition - he wanted to tell a story exploring the Joker and his backstory, seen through the lens of the Joker trying to drive Babs’s father, Commissioner James Gordon, insane by giving him “one bad day.” 

And as part of this, he wanted to have the Joker shoot Barbara Gordon through the spine, making her disabled, and then strip her of her clothes and take photos of it in order to give her father general man angst. (This phenomenon, FYI, is known as “women in refrigerators”, a common practice in which female characters are killed, raped or otherwise brutalized in order to give male characters angst and character development. If you want to read up more on it, check this out.) What did Alan Moore’s editor Len Wein say in response to this proposal? “Yeah, okay, cripple the bitch.”

Suffice to say, it was not a shining moment of female empowerment.

Yet from this act of callous fridging, something truly amazing happened. Something beautifully and spectacularly progressive, a shining example of what comics could be, solid proof that superhero fantasies could truly be for everyone, not just cishet white able-bodied neurotypical men.

Barbara Gordon became Oracle. And as Oracle, she was so, so much more than she ever was as Batgirl.

To understand how truly progressive this was, I want to have a little bit of a side discussion about something known as ableism. Ableism is, in a nutshell, the belief that people with the most common levels of mental and physical ability are somehow better and more interesting than those with differing abilities; the belief that disabled people are somehow tragic, that their stories are uninteresting and their lives not worth living, that they are somehow less.

And yet… there’s no reason that things should be this way. Why? Because our definition of ability and disability, of what is and isn’t normal, is frankly rather arbitrary. Do people have different levels of ability? Sure. But why is it that, say, being bad at math is considered trivial, yet being bad at socialization is considered to make someone’s life not worthwhile? That no one really cares if you, say, can’t run a marathon, yet if you can’t walk entirely you’re considered worse off and discriminated against? It’s not like we don’t have the capability to make things accessible for everyone. It’s not like we can’t put ramps everywhere, and make the differences in transportation available to people without impaired mobility and wheelchair users trivial? Disability, then, is not really a matter of being disabled so much as a matter of having abilities that don’t really line up with what our infrastructure is built to accommodate.

And yet, disabled people are told again and again that their bodies or minds are somehow “wrong.” They are denied employment, they are pitied, they are mistreated, and sometimes, they are even killed by those they trusted, only for everyone else to look on and pity their murderer for the “hardship” of having to associate with someone who was apparently less than them. Disabled people are told that their bodies are wrong and that they should seek to be “cured,” that they are mistaken if they love their body or have no problem with the level of ability they have, that they are foolish and selfish if they are *proud* of the way they are. They are erased from media except as victims, or, even worse, as villains, when their physical or mental disability is said to have twisted them and made them evil.

This ableism becomes even more bizarre in the DCU, where an even vaster range of abilities are available. People in the DCU can routinely fly, or shoot lasers from their eyes, or see through walls, or lift cars, or run at the speed of light. And yet, the same level of ability considered “normal” in our world is considered so there. Hell, one of the most prominent and powerful superheroes in the DCU is Batman, who has no powers whatsoever, yet rather than being pitied for his lesser ability, it is said to make him more interesting! And yet we still see so very, very few disabled characters. It’s fine if you can’t see through walls, but god forbid you can’t see! It’s fine not to be able to hear people talking miles away, but god forbid you can’t hear at all! It’s fine not to be able to fly, but god forbid you can’t walk! Disabilities are still considered tragic, and even with the DCU’s massively advanced technology, we still can’t get a world designed for everyone to access - though I suppose this, at least, is not a surprise, because the same thing can be said of our own world.

And yet, in Oracle, we had this disabled woman who was one of the most powerful people on the planet. Who flipped ableist and sexist narratives on their heads and said, “Fuck you. I am here, and I am not broken.” In a genre defined by the power fantasies of those who already have more than enough power, we had Oracle, and she was everything. She worked for the Justice League and Batman at the same time, yet alongside all this also managed her own team of operatives, the Birds of Prey, and trained her legacy, the Batgirls Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain.

In fact, let’s talk about that legacy for a moment, and how on top of this already incredible character we got even more. 

When Babs as Batgirl was introduced, she was a very progressive character, yes. She was an icon of female empowerment. But she was also a white, neurotypical, then-able-bodied cishet woman from a middle-class family who interacted mostly with men. When Cassandra Cain was introduced, she was a biracial woman of color with a verbal disability who was taken under Babs’s wing. So in the Babs and Cass dynamic, we had two disabled women, one training the other, and one of them was an Asian abuse survivor. And not only that, but Cassandra was badass. Just as Babs was more powerful than Batman in the sphere of influence and information, Cassandra was more powerful than him in the sphere of combat, and was in fact a better fighter than even her mother Lady Shiva, who had previously held the title of the best martial artist in the DCU. So in Cass and Babs, we had a woman training a woman and generally passing the Bechdel test, disabled characters interacting with disabled characters, and a wildly popular Asian hero with her own book. It was incredible.

Babs’s and Steph’s relationship is also interesting. Unlike so many of the other Bats (except for Jason Todd, the second Robin, to whom Steph bore a variety of similarities and whose history is its own huge topic irrelevant to this discussion), Steph came from a low-income family and generally bad circumstances. When Steph first appeared, she was Spoiler, the daughter of the small-time villain the Cluemaster and his wife Crystal, who was at the time a drug addict. Most of her earlier stuff involved her stopping her father from committing crimes, but she later worked extensively as Spoiler alongside Tim Drake, the third Robin, and dated him for a while. What’s interesting about Steph, though, is that unlike so many of the other Batfamily members, she constantly had to fight for her place in the Batfam. She was discouraged time and time again by Batman and Robin alike, but was supported by her best friend Cassandra and her later mentor Barbara Gordon. So she was a female superhero breaking into a boys’ club who befriended the other women in this boys’ club, and she let nothing stop her. She was a teen mother and yet was not shamed for it. She was poor and yet was not shamed for it. 

Until War Games happened. For a few brief, glorious months, Steph got to be Robin. We got to have Robin, the Girl Wonder, and to see Steph acknowledged by the Batfamily as she’d always wanted to be. We got to see the new Batgirl and Robin, Cass and Steph, best friends, two girls kicking ass and taking names under the direction of Oracle, their own little girls’ club in the boys’ world, populated by a disabled woman, a disabled woman of color, and a woman from a poor family. And then she was summarily fired as Robin, duped into sparking off a massive gang war, and brutally murdered in a highly sexualized, victim-blamey way. Not long afterwards, the OYL event happened, and Cass suddenly went evil, turning from a powerful woman of color whose entire backstory was meant to show that you are not your parents, that abuse does not make you evil, that you can change and decide your own life path into a stereotyped Dragon Lady minus her verbal disabilities, all in order to make her a villain for the sake of White Male Superhero Tim Drake.

And yet, these two women came back from that. Cassandra got to become a hero again, her previous out of character behavior explained (somewhat poorly) as the result of Deathstroke controlling her. Stephanie Brown became Batgirl, supported by the two previous Batgirls Cassandra Cain and Barbara Gordon. While the way in which Steph became Batgirl was somewhat problematic in that it shoved aside her friend Cassandra Cain, swapping out the Asian hero for the white blonde-haired blue-eyed one, the core of Batgirl as a legacy title, of women supporting women, was still there. And while I disagreed with the way in which she became Batgirl, Steph’s ascension to Batgirl was something the character well deserved after all the bullshit she had gone through, after how long she had fought tooth and nail to stand alongside all the men of the Batfamily. Just as Babs did as Batgirl so, so long ago. It was wonderful. It was beautiful. When Cass came back as Black Bat, it was almost perfect.

And then the reboot happened. And in the reboot, we lost all of that. We lost Oracle, the disabled woman who was smarter and more influential than Batman. We lost Cassandra Cain, the disabled woman who could beat Batman in a fight. We lost Stephanie Brown, the woman from a poor background who let nothing keep her down. And in her place we got… Babsgirl. Not even as she had been before, when her introduction was progressive and her identity a mystery to even Batman himself, but as a tame, cheap version of herself, less her abilities, less the legacy she’d built up over almost 30 years, less her power and influence and proteges. And not only do we get this badly downgraded version of Barbara Gordon, but we get it at the expense of Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown, who are being systematically kept out of the New 52.

It used to be that we could look up and see BATGIRL and BLACK BAT, leaping, fighting and swinging over Gotham, then look behind them and see Barbara Gordon, ex-Congresswoman, undisputed lord of the internet and information, backbone of the superhero community, and proud mentor and disabled woman. And it was absolutely thrilling. But now, we look up and just see Barbara Gordon. In this world, where a man with no powers but money is considered equally powerful and interesting as the man who can destroy the entire planet without breaking a sweat, a disabled woman with more influence than either of them is somehow uninteresting and “broken.” Instead of a network of women mentoring and supporting women, we’ve turned the once icon of female and disabled empowerment into one of the sad few 17%, and erased her legacy.

Why am I anti-Babsgirl? Well, she stands for everything that is anti-me and my friends, for everything that tells us that we are not worthwhile, that we are lesser. So why the hell shouldn’t I return the favor?

Jul 19 '13

heartintherightplace:

Was just stumbling along and then I came across this curious pairing:

No like they’re really

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super dorky

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and utterly hilarious

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they have sass competitions to out-sass each other

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they literally worship each other

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my god you guys get a room already look at all the PDA

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even confessing his love in front of Bat-freaking-MAN.

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even when they’re angsty together they manage to be entertaining

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look at this pretty-looking couple sobs at their perfection (and they’re badass together too)

like what a waste DC how could you ruin a pairing like this we could have had it aaaaall

(Source: anditoldyouitwaslove)