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Oh, that’s absolutely true, and a whole different kettle of fish - Bruce loves to compare the Batkids to himself, which is natural, but it can lead to each of them trying to remold themselves in his image.
There’s literally a scene (and I tried, but I can’t find it right now) where Dick literally says that he tried to become what he thought Bruce wanted - a younger version of himself.
I could write an entirely separate post about the Batkids trying to live up to Bruce’s image and feeling like they come up short.
With Cass feeling like she doesn’t measure up to Babs, I think a lot of that is tied into Cass’s insecurities about her own intelligence. With the physical fighting, I don’t feel like Cass has many insecurities - she knows she’s good. She knows she’s better than Barbara, better than almost any other fighter out there, pretty much. But the detective side is more of a struggle for her, because she was never taught that, and the fact that she has troubles with reading and language is something she’s very self-conscious about, I think. (At least at first - these insecurities are things she gets over as time goes on.)
Now, none of this is because Cass isn’t intelligent - she’s actually incredibly intelligent, and incredibly perceptive. She often notices details that other people overlook. But, I do think she has some insecurities in that area, and considering that Barbara’s greatest strength is her mind, I wonder if that doesn’t feed into Cass’s insecurities somewhat.
I’ve been trying to stay out of the Damian drama but fuck it, there’s a few things about it that really grind my gears and I’m going to talk about them.
This was originally meant as a reply to a quote by Bob Harras but it got long enough that I decided to make it its own rant.
This is a truly excellent post. Not just about Damian, but in the analysis of Bruce, the rest of the Batfamily, and the meaning of the Batman mythos in general. 100% agreed with everything.
Dick Grayson was Robin for 44 years. Holy shit. I’m so glad for his sake that comic book time works differently.
Ever since I saw this awesome drawing, I’ve wanted to see the same idea drawn with the Batkids (i.e. each one’s age portrayed as the number of years their character has actually been around).
Dick would be (almost) 73
Babs would be 46
Jason would be nearly 30 (26 if you count from his Post-Crisis incarnation)
Tim would be 23
Steph would be 20
Cass would be 13
And Damian would be just 6 (but 26 if you count from Son of the Demon)
It would also be interesting to draw them all as the proper ages of their characters, but dressed in the clothes of the respective eras when they were created (i.e., Dick in the clothes of the early 40’s, Babs in the fashions of the late 60’s, etc.)
(Of course, I can’t draw well enough to do any of these things, so it’s a moot point. But fun to think about, anyway.)
I think their characters are still very much informed by the eras when they were created, even though, for example, modern!Dick obviously did not live through the 40’s, and so on. It’s hard for me to take their history out of the era when it was actually written sometimes, in fact. For example, I think I’ll always see the events of New Teen Titans as taking place during the mid-eighties, even though going by the age the characters were immediately pre-reboot, that’s around the time they would have been born.
And I’ll pretty much always see Tim Drake as a 90’s kid, even though that increasingly makes less sense as time goes on (he was 17 in 2011, which would make him born in 1994).
Comic book time is funny, for sure.
Cass: “Maybe I’m just hiding… it doesn’t seem like a pleasant place….”
I don’t blame you, sister. I don’t blame you at all.
Which reminds me, have you guys heard what Chuck Dixon said about Steph appearing in the New 52?
"I’d keep Steph out of the New 52. It’s like letting your kid play in traffic! Then, when it’s all over, bring her back."
I know Dixon gets a lot of flack, but I’ve got to say… spot on there, sir. The part about ‘letting your kids play in traffic’ kind of makes my heart hurt. Say what you like about Dixon… he created the character of Stephanie Brown. And he fought to bring her back after DC fridged her. Not to mention the work he did developing Oracle as a character in Birds of Prey.
I mean, when you think about it… so much of the Batfamily that Dixon created in the 90’s is almost totally gone. He established Tim’s Everyboy relatability in his Robin solo series, and (to a large degree) his sibling relationships with Dick and Babs. He also helped find Cass’s distinctive voice when he wrote her as Batgirl. He established the Babs/Dinah friendship. He did a lot to develop these characters and the relationships between them, and now so much of what he created is just… completely gone.
I can only imagine how it must feel for him to look at the world of the New 52 now.
‘Letting your kids play in traffic’, indeed.
I don’t blame Dixon for wanting to keep his ‘kid’ far, far away from the New 52. I didn’t create Cass or Steph, obviously, but I feel exactly the same way. Keep my babies away from this ugliness. They’re better off, for now.
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