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It's Only the End if You Want it to Be

Posts tagged birds of prey

Oct 1 '13

Huntress Friendships: Lady Blackhawk

(Source: fuckyeahhelenabertinelli)

Sep 16 '13

helenabertinellihuntress:

Hugs all around, everyone.

Aug 11 '13

Appreciation Post for Dick’s ‘Finger’ shirt in Birds of Prey vol. 1 #19.

I’ve seen some people commenting on this shirt and wondering what it means (and yes, I’m aware it’s also the name of a band), so: I’m about 99% sure that it’s a reference to Bill Finger, the man who was instrumental in creating Batman as we know him and receives pretty much no credit. In fact, were it not for Bill Finger, Dick Grayson himself might well not exist:

"Robin was an outgrowth of a conversation I had with Bob. As I said, Batman was a combination of Douglas Fairbanks and Sherlock Holmes. Holmes had his Watson. The thing that bothered me was that Batman didn’t have anyone to talk to, and it got a little tiresome always having him thinking. I found that as I went along Batman needed a Watson to talk to. That’s how Robin came to be"

~ Bill Finger (Source)

So I thought that was a pretty cute shout-out. :-)

Aug 9 '13

DC Universe Fancast: Birds of Prey

Starring:

Teal Sherer as Barbara Gordon/Oracle

Caterina Murino as Helena Bertinelli/Huntress

Sarah Michelle Gellar as Dinah Lance/Black Canary

Feb 27 '13

ink-and-roses:

I think one of the reasons I love The Titans and Birds of Prey so much is because of the phenomenal friendships between the characters. They mean so much to each of them and even myself.

God I love them

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^THIS. I completely agree. The reason the Classic Titans and the BoP are my favorite teams are because there were such incredibly strong, natural friendships between the characters. And the writers took the time to realistically develop those friendships over the years, too. I love that.

I think the original Young Justice team was great for that reason, too. Incredible friendships between the characters:

Friendship!team books are my favorite. <3

(Also, I love you for using a Titans scene with Garth. Those are far too rare!)

Feb 13 '13
fuckyeahdickgrayson:

I’m sure that didn’t last very long …
From Birds of Prey #86

*snorts*
"Let&#8217;s never again beat ourselves up for not knowing everything", said the girl who thinks it&#8217;s her job to do exactly that to the guy who thinks it&#8217;s his job to be responsible for literally everybody else.
Yeah, that&#8217;ll be the day&#8230;

fuckyeahdickgrayson:

I’m sure that didn’t last very long …

From Birds of Prey #86

*snorts*

"Let’s never again beat ourselves up for not knowing everything", said the girl who thinks it’s her job to do exactly that to the guy who thinks it’s his job to be responsible for literally everybody else.

Yeah, that’ll be the day…

Dec 16 '12

missiveylynn:

ABC’S OF BARBARA GORDON

d is for dinah lance

THIS ONE IS DEDICATED TO GAIL SIMONE FOR BEING AN AMAZING HUMAN AND LITERALLY THE ONLY REASON I LOVE BOTH OF THESE CHARACTERS.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I JUST LOVE THEM SO MUCH, OKAY.

Epic friendship. JUST. FREAKING. EPIC.

They love each other so much. <3

Dec 16 '12
gailsimone:




From Birds of Prey #61


This is me in pretty much my only time writing Cass and missing the mark.
Good idea, wrong execution, dang it.


At least you admit it, though. Plenty of writers mis-write a character and never have the humility to own it or try to learn from it. Knowing you missed the mark means you&#8217;ll be able to do better next time (if there was a next time, that is&#8230;)
This &#8220;voice&#8221; here definitely does sound off for Cass; the question for me is, is the basic idea? Cass is without a doubt to most anti-killing of the Bats, but it doesn&#8217;t necessarily follow that she&#8217;s against making her opponents think she could kill them. It&#8217;s canon that she can be pretty scary in battle, after all, and she owns it.
Hmmm.

gailsimone:

From Birds of Prey #61

This is me in pretty much my only time writing Cass and missing the mark.

Good idea, wrong execution, dang it.

At least you admit it, though. Plenty of writers mis-write a character and never have the humility to own it or try to learn from it. Knowing you missed the mark means you’ll be able to do better next time (if there was a next time, that is…)

This “voice” here definitely does sound off for Cass; the question for me is, is the basic idea? Cass is without a doubt to most anti-killing of the Bats, but it doesn’t necessarily follow that she’s against making her opponents think she could kill them. It’s canon that she can be pretty scary in battle, after all, and she owns it.

Hmmm.

(Source: fybirdsofprey)

Dec 11 '12

thesunfloweramazon:

gabzilla-z:

thesunfloweramazon:

gabzilla-z:

shobogan:

you know, i’m completely on board with gail simone not writing cass, for myriad reasons (her pitch about her learning about compassion through christianity, her track record of writing asian characters, making cass sound like lady shiva, having the gotham populace call a new redhead “the real batgirl”, etc)

but i’m not sold on her writing oracle either

this is the woman who had barbara

  • slut shame helena
  • use stephanie’s corpse as a cautionary tale
  • repeatedly have her tech compromised and base broken into
  • barely interact with cass even before OYL - or any bat beside dick and sometimes bruce
  • say batman trained her to be hard
  • say she wasn’t afraid of him any more

i get kind of annoyed when people hold her up as this perfect pinnacle of barbara characterisation

she wrote great oracle stories, sure

not all of them were awesome, and even some of the better ones had significant flaws

Yeah, I have to agree. I think Gail has written great stories in BoP, but she’s not perfect.

And I may be burned at the stake for saying this… but I actually liked Dixon’s run a lot.

people didn’t like Dixon’s run? That surprises me for some reason.

but yes to all of the above

I think a lot of people forget or don’t even know that he wrote BoP. Most of them associate the series with Gail.

And a lot of people have issues with Dixon, not as a writer but as a person, which I understand.

whaaaaat but he’s the one who started it! how could you forget that run???

I mean I don’t like Dixon as a person AT ALL but I loved that run, it was really ace.

I actually love Dixon’s run too, but he’s not perfect either. Few writers are. Except Greg Rucka. Even the ones I think are absolutely great have their flaws and their questionable scenes. It happens. No one is capable of delivering nothing but nonstop perfection.

As to these complaints about Simone’s writing of Oracle, however:

1) When Barbara made that comment to Helena about having a “cheap, meaningless little one-night stand”, she was clearly lashing out and said the first nasty thing that came to mind. I don’t think it’s that Barbara thinks slut-shaming is okay, I think it’s just that when we’re angry, we tend to say ugly things that we don’t mean. Even the best of us. And what Babs said was inexcusable. Especially since Helena was trying to the air between them, even though she owed Barbara NO explanations for something that happened between her and Dick before Dick and Babs ever got together. But Barbara’s treatment of Helena was, in general, pretty inexcusable, and the tension between them is something that pre-dates Simone’s writing. What’s important is that the narrative doesn’t excuse Babs for it. She’s clearly portrayed as being in the wrong, and in the end she realizes how horribly unfair she’s been to Helena. And she apologizes for it, and works to do better. Having a character do something wrong doesn’t necessarily equate to bad characterization, and I think that the way Babs treated Helena, while not right, was not necessarily out-of-character for her. And it led to important character growth.

2) Personally? I don’t think using what happened to Stephanie as a cautionary tale is necessarily wrong. There seems to be this idea in fandom that whenever someone pops up wanting to be a superhero, they should just be enthusiastically welcomed with open arms and anyone who tries to discourage them is just a big ol’ meanie. But the thing is… the work these people do is dangerous. People do get killed. It’s not wrong to make sure a would-be superhero understands the gravity and the risk of what they’d be doing. It’s not wrong to be cautious and make sure that they’re really serious about this and capable of doing it well. And I apply this to Bruce, too. Sometimes he goes too far towards being a jerk, but discouraging some kid with little-to-no training from getting into something that could get them killed is reasonable. In fact, it’s the right thing to do. What’s much more problematic is when these kids are just taken in without any argument (and Bruce is a complete hypocrite about who he chooses to accept vs. discourage). You think Barbara wants some kid’s life on her conscience? She saw this lifestyle kill Jason. She saw it (as far as she knew) kill Stephanie. You’re going to condemn her for using that to make Charlie understand the stakes? I’d say she’d be irresponsible if she didn’t.

3) Infallible heroes don’t make for terribly good plot. Simone’s writing always emphasized how strong Barbara’s tech skills made her, but even the best can be beaten once in a while. And if Barbara was never overcome sometimes, how would the story happen?

4) I’ll agree with you about her not interacting with the rest of the Batfam but, as other posters have pointed out, it was a team book with a lot of characters already. And team books generally don’t have the team members interacting all that much with their families or other supporting cast members (with exceptions, of course). Dick practically never saw Jason or Barbara during the entire run of New Teen Titans. I won’t say it’s not a writing flaw, but it is an understandable one. And, to be fair to Simone, she did want to bring Cass in and was denied permission.

5) When Barbara says Bruce trained her to be “hard”, she clearly means it in the (mostly) negative sense, not in the sense that he gets the credit for her courage or emotional toughness. Which is clearly emphasized by her next sentence: “Fortunately, someone else taught me to be human.” And Barbara was trained by Bruce, and Bruce does encourage his proteges to be ‘hard’ and unemotional, so I’m not really seeing the problem here. What she’s saying makes perfect sense.

6) I don’t think Babs was ever “afraid” of Bruce, no. And she always stood up to him, even in her earliest days as Batgirl (the way their first meeting is written in Secret Origins #20 illustrates that beautifully, I think). But I do think sometimes she was used to deferring to him as her ‘boss’, albeit grudgingly, and that was a mentality she needed to get out of. So I think that’s what she meant by not being afraid of him ‘anymore’. I don’t think she meant that she was ever actually afraid of him.

Nov 15 '12

Can we just take a moment and appreciate how absolutely adorable Babs looked in Birds of Prey #28? I absolutely love how Butch Guice drew her in this issue.

Check out the shoes! Her whole outfit in general is just so cute. It kind of bugs me when artists tend to drew Oracle wearing nothing but either (a) a green sweater (usually with a matching headband), or (b) a Batman T-shirt. Come on! Show some creativity! Babs is young and pretty and why on earth wouldn’t she have some fun with clothes? The fact that she’s in a wheelchair doesn’t mean you can’t still draw her looking stylish! And yeah, she can’t walk, but is that any reason why she wouldn’t still enjoy a pair of awesome shoes like these? No!

So definite kudos to Guice for that. I also love how he draws her sitting in her wheelchair in realistic poses. That sounds weird, but so many artists tend to just draw her sitting as stiff as a poker all the time, but who really sits like that? It’s something you don’t really realize until you’re looking at awesome art like this and notice how completely natural-looking the poses are. But it’s something I really appreciate.

(AND no handles on the wheelchair itself! Double, triple kudos for that.)

Also, how flipping cute are her facial expressions? (And Dinah’s.)

I love this issue. <3

Oct 29 '12

Finding parallels in comics is one of my very favorite hobbies. Particularly when they pertain to my OTP. ;-)

Guys, just remember, you cannot ever, ever fool The Best Friend. XD

(Not that they were being particularly subtle in the first place. Really, you two? You’re supposed to be superheroes, right? Isn’t being good at hiding things supposed to come with the territory? Was doing your very best impression of two kids who got busted holding hands on the playground really the best you guys could do? Really? I cannot even handle your ridiculousness. Dorks. <3)

Oct 16 '12
fyeahdickandbabs:

—Birds of Prey #63
“Not a bad image, though.” Nope, not a bad image at all.

OMG. I initially misread this panel as Dick saying he&#8217;d rather wrestle Wolverine naked. As in, Logan. From X-Men. Not a wolverine. And I was terribly confused about how somebody&#8217;s crossover crackfic had somehow found its way into canon.
Now, try to get that image out of your head.

fyeahdickandbabs:

—Birds of Prey #63

“Not a bad image, though.” Nope, not a bad image at all.

OMG. I initially misread this panel as Dick saying he’d rather wrestle Wolverine naked. As in, Logan. From X-Men. Not a wolverine. And I was terribly confused about how somebody’s crossover crackfic had somehow found its way into canon.

Now, try to get that image out of your head.

Sep 27 '12

So, I was working on a different post entirely, but then I randomly decided to take a break and make a photoset of Babs hugging people instead. I felt this was something we needed in fandom. ;-)

(Okay, so one of these pictures isn’t actually a hug, but close enough.)

I think it’s pretty apparent who everyone is, but just in case, from left to right the people she’s hugging are: Dinah, Steph, Bruce, Tim, the Birds, Dick, Cass, Helena, and Jim. All the main people in Barbara’s life (pre-reboot), pretty much.

I love each and every one of these relationships. So much. <3

Sep 26 '12

carolferriss:

Super Girlfriends → Barbara Gordon & Dinah Lance

BEST. FRIENDSHIP. EVER.

I LOVE THEMMMMMM. <3

LOOK HOW ADORABLE THEY ARE I CAN’T EVEN.

Perfect girlfriends. :-)

Sep 23 '12
steepedsea:

BABS WHY?!?

Can we just talk about &#8220;Not even Nightwing knows about that&#8221;, though?
See, I love this scene for about a million reasons, most of which have absolutely nothing to do with Dick/Babs, and that line is just one little throwaway comment that&#8217;s tossed in there, but I just think it says so much about Babs and Dick&#8217;s relationship.
Because the thing is, this scene is Babs telling Helena every secret that&#8217;s hers to tell.
And when she gets to one that Dick doesn&#8217;t know? That is comment-worthy.
I mean, wow. I just think that says a ton about how much trust Babs has in Dick, and how close they are. It&#8217;s not like Babs goes around sharing her secrets with the entire world. That&#8217;s why this scene with Helena is so powerful; Babs is usually a very, very private person.
And yet Dick knows every small, embarrassing secret she has, to the point where if there&#8217;s something he doesn&#8217;t know about her, it&#8217;s unusual enough that she stops and comments on it.
Don&#8217;t we all wish we could have that kind of absolute closeness with someone?
This is why they&#8217;re my OTP.

steepedsea:

BABS WHY?!?

Can we just talk about “Not even Nightwing knows about that”, though?

See, I love this scene for about a million reasons, most of which have absolutely nothing to do with Dick/Babs, and that line is just one little throwaway comment that’s tossed in there, but I just think it says so much about Babs and Dick’s relationship.

Because the thing is, this scene is Babs telling Helena every secret that’s hers to tell.

And when she gets to one that Dick doesn’t know? That is comment-worthy.

I mean, wow. I just think that says a ton about how much trust Babs has in Dick, and how close they are. It’s not like Babs goes around sharing her secrets with the entire world. That’s why this scene with Helena is so powerful; Babs is usually a very, very private person.

And yet Dick knows every small, embarrassing secret she has, to the point where if there’s something he doesn’t know about her, it’s unusual enough that she stops and comments on it.

Don’t we all wish we could have that kind of absolute closeness with someone?

This is why they’re my OTP.