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In case you didn’t guess correctly here’s another hint on who has a birthday today (with help from Adam Hughes).
Happy birthday to Dinah! I’ll try to post some Appreciation in honor of her birthday. :-)
I think it’s kind of a given in the comic book universes that, special and rare circumstances aside, unarmed and melee combat is never lethal *unless* it’s intended to be. And, while that’s kind of a fudge, I think it pretty much /has/ to be that way, because if it wasn’t- I mean, jeez. How often have the respective members of the Batfamily been concussed, let alone stabbed/shot? And yet they refuse to respond in kind, nobly remaining on the righteous path of blunt force trauma. True heroes. ;)
I agree. And I think - while it may be a stretch - that we’re supposed to believe that the Batfam & co. are such experts that they can calculate the exact amount of damage each of their blows will cause. I mean, consider this scene with Dinah (from BoP vol. 2 #1):
She’s completely in control of the amount of damage she’s causing - even calculating exactly what the recovery time and long-term consequences will be. If she wanted to, we know that she could be far more lethal, but she’s choosing not to be.
Or consider this scene with Bruce and Steph from Detective Comics #796:
Even though, because of a fluke, the results ended up being different, Bruce is able to look at the move Stephanie used and know what would ordinarily have happened.
I think that’s why it’s so vital that these guys never “lose control” in a fight - they have to be constantly aware of what they’re doing and how much force they’re using. I can’t even imagine how hard that must be. They may not be Superman, but if they chose to, these guys could easily kill someone with their bare hands - and they could do it unconsciously. They wouldn’t even have to be trying to kill, they’d just have to lose hold of that perfect control for one second.
It makes their restraint all the more impressive, I think.
I think one of the reasons I love The Titans and Birds of Prey so much is because of the phenomenal friendships between the characters. They mean so much to each of them and even myself.
God I love them
^THIS. I completely agree. The reason the Classic Titans and the BoP are my favorite teams are because there were such incredibly strong, natural friendships between the characters. And the writers took the time to realistically develop those friendships over the years, too. I love that.
I think the original Young Justice team was great for that reason, too. Incredible friendships between the characters:
Friendship!team books are my favorite. <3
(Also, I love you for using a Titans scene with Garth. Those are far too rare!)
And on the subject of ‘edginess’ in comics…
You can show sex without having it be tasteless:
You can discuss rape without having it be exploitative:
You can portray prostitution without fetishizing it:
You can write dark storylines without having it be soulless:
You can write addiction without treating it simplistically:
I am not crying, there’s just something in my eye.
I am not suggesting that comics should consist of nothing but squeaky-clean fluff. You want to write something dark, controversial, non-kid-friendly? Go for it. Comics aren’t just for kids anymore.
But do it with respect. Do it with sensitivity. And for the love of God, do not do it just to be “edgy”.
You want to know what these scenes have in common? They have heart. They have nuance. And they fit into the context of telling a larger story - one which is ultimately empowering, not degrading, to the characters involved. These scenes were written for more than shock value.
Too often, when these issues are brought up, that is not the case. There is no thought, no heart, no nuance. There is no larger story. It’s blatantly obvious that the writer just wanted to be shocking or “gritty”, and so they decided to bust out the sex/drugs/rape/torture/”hookers”.
That’s not how you do it. You can’t use these things for shock value. You can’t use them as a plot point. You can’t use them just to be ‘edgy’. You owe it to your characters to treat them with more respect than that.
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