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Under the cut because this is long, by the way, it’s a DickBabs moment, but not a particularly happy one, so warnings there, but anyone who is knowledgable about Babs and Dick’s relationship, I’d like your opinion on whether it was OOC of Dick or not.
Devin Grayson, for some reason, LOVES to write Dick as callously oblivious and Babs as perpetually annoyed. To me, that characterization of Dick reached its absolute point of unbelievability in this scene, from Nightwing #85:
Okay, first of all, I have issues with the way Babs is characterized here too, but that’s an entirely separate post.
But Dick, just… no. Babs basically never voices that kind of naked insecurity over her disability, and whether you consider it in-character for her here or not, there’s no doubt that if she did, Dick would immediately take notice and respond appropriately to reassure her. The way he brushes her off here is so cruelly insensitive to her feelings, it just makes me wince.
I mean, just compare that to how well he reads and responds to her insecurities in Nightwing #38 (written by Chuck Dixon), for example:
Now, Dick’s not perfect, and it’s certainly plausible that he could be too distracted or overworked/tired to read Barbara’s (or anyone else’s) mood correctly every once in a while. It’s also perfectly plausible that this could lead to him being accidentally insensitive now and then. I can also see him realizing Babs was in a bad mood and thinking being silly would cheer her up, but having it misfire.
But Dick is, as a rule, a pretty sensitive guy, and he’s good at reading people. Especially someone he’s as close to as Babs. Unless there was something pretty major distracting him, he’d likely realize his mistake pretty quickly in either of those situations, switch into serious mode, and talk things out properly with her. The way Devin Grayson just writes him as obliviously trampling all over Barbara’s feelings all the time often feels false to me.
The fact is, the way Devin Grayson writes their relationship, you almost feel like Dick doesn’t really understand Babs (however well he might think he does), and Babs may love Dick but she doesn’t really like him all that much. Neither of which is the way I see their relationship, nor the way other writers have portrayed it.
What’s particularly frustrating about Devin Grayson’s writing is that she’ll get it so completely right one moment, and then so utterly wrong the next. She’s a good (if problematic) writer, and her characterization can be wonderfully spot-on at times. But issues like this keep me from really appreciating the way she writes Dick and Babs.
during dick and damian’s time as batman and robin like there’s no way you can convince me that dick didn’t take him up to the top of the penthouse and was like “damian everything the light touches is our kingdom. a king’s time as ruler rises and falls like the sun. one day, damian, the sun will set on my time here, and will rise with you as the new king.”
and damian took these words to heart and engraved them into his psyche and got emotional about them
and like 5 years later when he’s in his mid-teens and hanging out with the titans, they watch the lion king and he’s so furious he literally walks out of the movie and calls dick and is like
THE FUCKING LION KING????????????????????
… give or take a few. Here’s a (most definitely incomplete) list of characters who have worn the Robin uniform, played a Robin-like role or a role in a way connected to being Robin.
Starting off, the Big Five: Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown and Damian Wayne.
Anonymous asked: “Tim? Has a temper. A very, very nasty temper”. Not to sound rude or belitting but I thought Jason was the angry Robin?
Hmmm. Okay. It’s important to note that “carries a lot of anger” and “has a nasty temper” are different things. Birds, butterflies, and bats all have wings, but nobody is going to argue that all three are the same type of wing, are they? Same thing with Jason and Tim. Simply because they express their anger in similar ways doesn’t mean they both arrived at that point from the exact same experiences. I don’t claim to be an expert here, but to me, Jason’s rage seems more of the “builds up to the point where it has to come out any way it can”, which is more of a sign of an inability to express anger in ways that help him reach a resolution. Looking at Under the Hood, Jason initially seems angry at Bruce, but later on it becomes clear it’s betrayal and hurt, not just purely anger. Arguably he has the same problem as MCU!Bruce Banner (whose “anger” is more often than not actually fear): he can’t really express his feelings in a healthy way, not because he has a bad temper.
Tim, on the other hand, is perfectly capable of venting his feelings; however, his particular temperament is such that when he expresses anger, he does it extremely violently. This is a personality trait that shows itself consistently throughout the comics canon (wow I’m actually rather happy writers remember this): he trashes his room, he beats Villain of the Week almost half to death, he lashes out at Damian, ad infinitum. Looking at canon, you actually have a much stronger case for Tim being “the angry Robin”, much more so than Jason.
Again, I’m no expert, I’m just a reader like you and this is only my opinion.
Reblogging this because this is relevant to my interests. I agree with everything the writer pointed out.
I’d also like to add that assuming every Robin has a trait is normal (and to fair it’s a good way to tell them apart), but you can’t pretend they don’t share traits. The Robins aren’t just ‘The happy one, the angry one, the detective one, the girl and the son’. The Robin are supposed to be multidimensional characters you could find in real life, they are people.
Dick is known for his bad jokes and sense of humor, but Jason and Tim also have their own dry sarcastic way of making fun of things and Damian is slowly but surely growing one. Tim is the smart Robin but that doesn’t mean the others aren’t able to investigate and pull a Batman on their own.
Jason is angry and doesn’t think much before he jumps into attack, but that doesn’t mean other Robins can’t pent up anger and lash out. And somebody like Tim, who has no idea how to deal with his feelings and tends to keep them inside… well, when he does show anger he kind of explodes.
Can I hug this post? Can I frame it on my wall for everyone to see? Can I freaking marry it?
Because seriously… YES. Yes, yes, yes, yes YES. THIS.
I hate when people try to write the Robins (or Batgirls, or any character, really) into these narrow little boxes. Because Dick is “The Happy One”, and Jason is “The Angry One”, and Tim is “The Smart One”, etc., and there can never be any overlap between them? And their characters can never be any more nuanced than that? HOW ABOUT NO.
Newsflash? EVERY SINGLE ONE of the Robins has a temper. Yes, ALL of them. Even Tim, “the quiet one”. Even Dick and Steph, “the happy ones” (and believe me, I can prove it). Now, that doesn’t mean they’ll all get angry in the same way, or to the same degree, or over the same things. Because they won’t. And it doesn’t mean they’re all equally likely to lose their temper.
But believe me when I say that you do not want to get on the bad side of ANY ONE of the Robins. Because they can ALL be “the angry one” if you push the right buttons, and you don’t want to be there when they do.
on one hand i want a nightwing movie, but on the other hand i know they’d totally prob fuck him up and try to make him ~gritty~ like batman
i think id just really like them to start with a super gritty voice over and the actor portraying dick grayson doing the gargling-marbles christopher nolan batman voice
then just have him choke and cough and be like “how does he do that for more than fifteen minutes a night, jesus christ-“
begin nightwing movie~
So, with all the reading of comics, wiki-walking, and what not I’ve been doing over the last year or so, a thought occurred to me: We call it ‘the Batman Family’… then why is the theme that seems to be talked about the most with Batman ‘vengeance’ and ‘justice’?
Now, a lot of what I’ve see in the pages I’ve been reading, there is a lot of family aspects that do come up, but I’m talking about fan/reviewer/writer thought process here.
What a dead end vengeance and justice are when compared to the greater plot of familial connections. I’m told that the great trinity of Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman represent truth, hope, and justice respectively. I say no to that.
Truth, Hope, Love.
Think about it for a second. What gets Bruce started on the road to being the Dark Knight? The loss of his parents, the loss of a loving family. He starts his crusade, and along the way, he picks up Dick. A sidekick that becomes more then just a partner, but something of a son in some respects. The same with Barbra as a sort of niece/daughter, then Jason, Tim (eventually in an official capacity even). Cassandra Cain shows up and with Barbra taking her under wing, you get a sort of ‘mother/father’ aspect out of Babs and Bruce. Steph steps up too. Huntress and the rest of the birds of prey as (depending on parts of continuity) literal and extended family. Toss in Damian as an actual heir to the throne of Wayne…
Looking at the history I’ve been combing through and starting to read first hand, I don’t see a story about vengeance. I see a story about how people of different walks of life can come together to help fill the holes left in their hearts and become a family. Not one of blood (mostly) but one of spirit, forged in the same mission: To protect others and keep them from feeling the same pains they feel as much as they can.
There is more to this rant, but it would take a lot of fact checking on what I remember looking up months ago. When I’ve gotten farther in my reading and have done more research, I’ll elaborate on all of this.
Still, in the end I don’t see a story of justice. Not one of Vengeance. Those are starting points, not the whole saga.
Ultimately, I see a story of Love.
Brilliant, perfect, beautiful post. It IS a story of love. I just really wish DC still remembered that.
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