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Posts tagged oracle

Aug 21 '14

renaroo:

DC Writers Spotlight: Greg Rucka

There’s no writing like Rucka writing, in my opinion. I really can’t think of a writer who has a greater hold on such a huge array of DC characters and narratives. For many of these characters, Rucka’s characterization is my standard.

If it has Greg Rucka’s name on it, you can guarantee I’ll give it a try.

Personal recs:

Rucka’s Wonder Woman
Gotham Central
Batman/Huntress: Cry for Blood
52
And everything he’s done with Kate Kane’s Batwoman.

Aug 20 '14

"True love doesn’t happen right away; it’s an ever-growing process. It develops after you’ve gone through many ups and downs, when you’ve suffered together, cried together, laughed together."
"True love doesn’t happen right away; it’s an ever-growing process. It develops after you’ve gone through many ups and downs, when you’ve suffered together, cried together, laughed together."

(Source: fyeahdickandbabs)

Aug 18 '14
storytellerknight:

Just when my anger at DC and the New 52 had finally begun shifting to apathy, Sensation Comics comes along to remind me that I really, really should still be pissed at DC comics and their choices.
I miss Oracle so much.  It was beyond wonderful to see her show up in the first issue of Sensation.  There is a giant, gaping void in the DC universe where she once stood and DC’s decision to pull Babs away from Oracle instead of allowing her any ties to her former role just burns.
This was the single most powerful character in the DC universe before the reboot.  She had the respect of the Justice League.  She could challenge Batman and win.  She had not just one legacy—the Batgirls who she chose and trained no matter what Bruce said.—but also her Legacy through the Birds of Prey.  Bryan Q. Miller was even building a third, hacker Legacy through her training of Proxy.  She had her own network of operatives that rivaled every other coalition of heroes in the DC universe.  It’s not the fact that she had all this that was mind blowing, it’s the fact that she had all this as a disabled woman.  It’s that she kept amassing strength.  It was that no one at DC ever seemed at a loss when it came to her narrative (compared to Wonder Woman who went through reboot after reboot in the same era).  It’s that they weren’t afraid to admit that she was at least as powerful as Batman and growing stronger.  
Now she’s gone and no one rivals Batman.  Her legacy has been erased while her male colleagues got to keep theirs.  She has been de-aged and de-powered.  A student of Batman’s again instead of his equal.  And as good as the upcoming Batgirl book looks with its lighter imagery, it’s almost like Babs keeps growing younger.  Moving backwards.  
I can’t forgive DC for doing that to her.  For cutting out the powerhouse that was Oracle.  For erasing one of the most visible disabled characters in comics.   For keeping the Killing Joke canon when they had a chance to get rid of it.  I can’t forgive DC their treatment of Barbara Gordon.  The release of Sensation Comics today was a reminder of why I shouldn’t.  
Otherwise Sensation was quite lovely and you should all go buy it.  For a variety of reasons (Wonder Woman’s prominence within the Trinity, out of New 52 continuity storytelling, the return of Oracle (if only for this arc)), it’s really important that this book succeeds.    

storytellerknight:

Just when my anger at DC and the New 52 had finally begun shifting to apathy, Sensation Comics comes along to remind me that I really, really should still be pissed at DC comics and their choices.

I miss Oracle so much.  It was beyond wonderful to see her show up in the first issue of Sensation.  There is a giant, gaping void in the DC universe where she once stood and DC’s decision to pull Babs away from Oracle instead of allowing her any ties to her former role just burns.

This was the single most powerful character in the DC universe before the reboot.  She had the respect of the Justice League.  She could challenge Batman and win.  She had not just one legacy—the Batgirls who she chose and trained no matter what Bruce said.—but also her Legacy through the Birds of Prey.  Bryan Q. Miller was even building a third, hacker Legacy through her training of Proxy.  She had her own network of operatives that rivaled every other coalition of heroes in the DC universe.  It’s not the fact that she had all this that was mind blowing, it’s the fact that she had all this as a disabled woman.  It’s that she kept amassing strength.  It was that no one at DC ever seemed at a loss when it came to her narrative (compared to Wonder Woman who went through reboot after reboot in the same era).  It’s that they weren’t afraid to admit that she was at least as powerful as Batman and growing stronger.  

Now she’s gone and no one rivals Batman.  Her legacy has been erased while her male colleagues got to keep theirs.  She has been de-aged and de-powered.  A student of Batman’s again instead of his equal.  And as good as the upcoming Batgirl book looks with its lighter imagery, it’s almost like Babs keeps growing younger.  Moving backwards.  

I can’t forgive DC for doing that to her.  For cutting out the powerhouse that was Oracle.  For erasing one of the most visible disabled characters in comics.   For keeping the Killing Joke canon when they had a chance to get rid of it.  I can’t forgive DC their treatment of Barbara Gordon.  The release of Sensation Comics today was a reminder of why I shouldn’t.  

Otherwise Sensation was quite lovely and you should all go buy it.  For a variety of reasons (Wonder Woman’s prominence within the Trinity, out of New 52 continuity storytelling, the return of Oracle (if only for this arc)), it’s really important that this book succeeds.    

Aug 11 '14

fanbingblink:

You know what you should do instead of just writing a woman who fights physically?
(x)

Jul 30 '14

tinyredbird:

vickah:

Anon asked for all the flower crowns together. 

:’) Kon

Jul 30 '14

(Source: axeeeee)

Jul 25 '14
toalwaysbeme replied to your post:
Okay but what if there were a Team Batgirl book with Oracle calling the shots and Black Bat and Batgirl out in the field (or Nightwing!Steph and Batgirl!Nell yesplease)… that started out as a question but now I just really want that

I’ve spoken about wanting a book like that in the past, actually! Even had conversations with other fans about who should be the theoretical writer/artist for the book. A lot of people tend to go with either Bryan Q. Miller or Gail Simone for writing, but my personal belief tends to be that Cass is a lot harder to get right as a character than Babs or Steph, so I’d rather have a writer who’s proven they can write her well, which neither Miller nor Simone has (and in fact, Miller’s treatment of Cass was pretty dang problematic, though I’m willing to believe there was editorial interference involved.)

My personal choice would be Dylan Horrocks, who had a quite good run on Cass’s Batgirl series and wrote some absolutely fantastic scenes between the three:

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The choice of artist is less tricky as I can think of a bunch who’d do a great job… but as we were discussing the other day, Marcus To needs a project worthy of his talents, and he’s definitely shown he can draw all three of them fantastically:

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So that would be my dream team for the book. :-) Dylan Horrocks as the writer, Marcus To on art.

Jul 15 '14

(Source: hawkmans)

Jul 13 '14
henchkobun21:

With all the Batgirl fanart going around right now, it seems like a very important time to post some art of Oracle.
The state of women’s costumes in comics is terrible, the new Batgirl costume is nice. 
But there was a price, it was incredibly high, and people need to remember that.  DC wants people to forget that they’ve virtually removed people with disabilities from their little world. They want fans to forget that there were readers with disabilities literally begging the company not to take away their representation, and DC ignored them. So it’s up to us to make sure people remember.
This piece was penciled by Jackson Guice and colored by Tom Smith.

henchkobun21:

With all the Batgirl fanart going around right now, it seems like a very important time to post some art of Oracle.

The state of women’s costumes in comics is terrible, the new Batgirl costume is nice. 

But there was a price, it was incredibly high, and people need to remember that.  DC wants people to forget that they’ve virtually removed people with disabilities from their little world. They want fans to forget that there were readers with disabilities literally begging the company not to take away their representation, and DC ignored them. So it’s up to us to make sure people remember.

This piece was penciled by Jackson Guice and colored by Tom Smith.

Mar 13 '14

I don’t necessarily love everything about the issue of The Brave and the Bold that the first scene here comes from, but I couldn’t help but notice this parallel and thought it was kind of interesting.

A lot of people seem to interpret Dick as having been really hung up on Barbara’s past, but personally that’s not my take on it. I think that when they’re being written well, what Dick does for Babs is he reminds her that that part of her life isn’t over - she can still dance, and she can still fly, and she can still have fun and do the things that make her feel free and happy and alive. She’s changed and grown up a lot, it’s true, but that doesn’t mean she needs to let that side of herself go.

So the people who interpret Dick as being hung up with the past (including writers like Devin Grayson) are getting it wrong, IMO. Dick isn’t hung up on the fun they used to have, he’s focused on reminding Babs that having that kind of fun doesn’t need to be in the past.

Mar 11 '14

Some Dick&Babs Li’l Gotham icons.

Way back when Li’l Gotham was first announced, I remember saying one of the things I most hoped for was that Babs would be Oracle and that there would be Dick/Babs interaction which would be more like their pre-reboot dynamic.

Now that the series is (sadly) over, one thing I can be happy about is that they definitely did not disappoint! Babs was Oracle, she was awesome, and there were tons of adorable Dick/Babs moments which felt more like my Dick and Babs than anything we’d gotten in a long time.

And yes, I do consider this more canon than anything currently happening to them in the Nu52 continuity.

Hope you enjoy these, guys - feel free to use! :-)

Feb 25 '14

toalwaysbeme asked:

I think it's very problematic for Babs to walk again because Oracle was so great for representation of disabled people. She was more effective, helped more people, as Oracle than she ever could as Batgirl and she did it in a wheel chair and it was written in a positive way. I'm just really upset with the ablist decision to revert her to Batgirl.

theandysar:

yellowcape:

Oracle was fantastic and I really miss her too. Especially because of how well she represented disabled people. I haven’t mencioned this before because it’s never been relevant, but I’m disabled myself so I felt a special connection to her. I don’t use a wheelchair or have the same disability as her but I know a lot about stigmatization and limitation of disabled people and have felt it personally even if my disability is decidedly of a light variety and I’m what I’d suppose you’d call ‘high functioning’. The only way I can read a lot of the New 52 comics -including Batgirl - is to read the stories as if they take place in an alternate universe parallell to our own.

The question I think we need to ask when reading Batgirl is what disabled person - no matter how well adjusted - wouldn’t want to be able to have all of their abilities? Yes, Babs gets a new perspective with the disability, but deep down I think she would want her legs to work again. Despite how accepting she was of her situatioin. Her life as Oracle was great. I don’t think of it as any less than her life before the shooting. It’s better in some ways, and it would not be the same with the feeling back in her legs (like we see in N52 Batgirl). But I think it’d be wrong to say she’d never ever want to be able to walk again.

Of course if I knew Barbara in real life I Would feel excited and happy for her. But the truth is, Barbara is a character. A character who represented thousands of disabled people and showed them they were not forgotten, that they could do anything they wanted, and that they were important too. In a media where representation is very much lacking, Barbara was an inspiration. When DC made Barbara Gordon no longer a disabled person as if sending the message of her being so much better now that she could walk they completely erased the positive message Barbara represented and disappointed many real life people in said process.

Exactly. It’s like I wrote in this post - what’s good for characters as people is not necessarily what’s good for them as characters. For real people, what’s most important is making every individual person happy. If a paraplegic person wants to be able to walk again and there’s a way to make that happen, I think that’s wonderful. If technology like that really existed it would probably be a fantastic thing and help countless people. I’d be all for it, no doubt.

But characters serve a purpose beyond that. Characters are also important for what they stand for, and for the people they give representation to, and for the way that conflict and difficulty can make their characters grow. I would never choose to make a real person suffer hardship just because it’s good for “character growth”, but with fictional characters it’s a different matter entirely. The transition from Batgirl to Oracle wasn’t just about Babs being in a wheelchair, it was about her growing up. It was about life throwing her a horrible, unexpected curveball and Babs using it to hit a home run against all odds. (… Does that metaphor even make sense? Whatever. I never played baseball, okay?) The point is that it made her stronger.

And the point is that you can’t underestimate just how important representation is. For most wheelchair-bound people (or people with any disability), there is no “magical cure”. There aren’t many disabled superheroes out there. I think it’s pretty safe to say that Babs was easily DC’s most prominent wheelchair-bound hero (the only one more well-known than her, I’d say, is Professor X over at Marvel). What message does it send that DC took that representation away?

Jan 30 '14

There are two kinds of people in the world.

People who think that Jim Gordon totally knows all of the Batfam’s secret identities (but just can’t openly admit that he does).

And people who are wrong.

Jan 26 '14

Anonymous asked:

Dick and Babs :)

redlacedbird:

No ship bashing is going on here (obviously), it’s just that I got carried away and wrote too much. Brace yourselves :| 

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This is all good but I do want to step in and say that in the original canon, Babs was 7 years older than Dick. This was made pretty darn explicit:

From Batman Family #7 (September/October 1976) "I’ve got the what for her? Listen, she’s got to be seven years older -“ "Older women looked pretty good when I was your age, kid…” Perfection! We get a pretty solid hint at the age difference between Dick and Barbara and we get Dick-Bruce hilarity. I really couldn’t ask for more.

(Batman Family #7)

Barbara: I was getting used to having Dick around on these jaunts—I sorta miss him! He’s really kind of cute with his crush on me and I… What am I thinking? I’m 25 years old, and he’s still a teenager!  Batman Family 10

(Batman Family #10. Dick was in Hudson University at this time, so he was around 18 to Barbara’s 25 - which fits perfectly with the 7-year age difference mentioned in the last scene.)

Fans (and early shippers!) even commented on this at the time:

From the letter column of Batman Family #5 (May-June 1976) People shipped Dick and Babs even in the 1970s. Of course, it took DC over twenty years to step into the 20th century and realize that older woman-younger man relationships are okay.

(For the record, while I agree with Mr. (or Ms.?) Rivera in sentiment, I would point out that while 18 may technically be of legal age, a relationship between a teenager and someone significantly older is often problematic, regardless of gender.)

So you can accept whatever canon you like about their age difference (DC’s certainly changed their story plenty over the years), but you can’t really come along and say “Babs was 17 when she became Batgirl and anyone who doesn’t think so is wrong”, because that wasn’t the original canon and it wouldn’t become the canon until decades later. Per the original canon, Babs was old enough to already have a PhD when she became Batgirl:

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That’s from Detective Comics #359, the issue that introduced Babs to the world. In fact, those are the very first panels she appears in in her civilian identity. And one of the very first facts that the story goes out of its way to establish about her is that she has a PhD and graduated summa cum laude (with the highest honors).

Bear in mind that this was the sixties. The women’s lib movement was in full swing. Women around the world were fighting to break glass ceilings in education and careers. Barbara was officially conceived of and promoted as the new, feminist Batgirl (as opposed to Betty and Kathy Kane). If you don’t think her degree of education was part of that, I think you’re missing a big part of the picture here. Barbara’s PhD was a symbol of her power and intelligence, just like the fact that she later became a Congresswoman.

And the fact that DC felt the need to de-age her over the years, until in later versions of her backstory she’s too young to have had a PhD when she became Batgirl (although I’d point out that even in Batgirl: Year One, she’s already graduated from college early, not high school. That’s why she’s thinking of applying to police academy. Read the book’s Wikipedia entry, for example), too young to have been a Congresswoman in her Batgirl years, and so DC just retconned these elements right out of her backstory… well, that says something pretty un-empowering, IMO. Especially when you consider that Barbara’s romantic relationship with Dick, and the idea that people would be put off by having her be too much older than him, may well have played a role in the change. I’ll give DC the benefit of the doubt and say maybe they were just trying to appeal to a younger audience, and thought books like Batgirl: Year One would sell better with a teenage protagonist. But the implications there aren’t so great, either.

But back to the original canon. Regardless of which origin story you’re going by, you’re definitely right that Dick was a teenager and not a child when Babs became Batgirl. How old exactly? Unclear. Old enough to have already founded the Teen Titans a while back (the Titans were officially formed in 1965, Babs debuted in ‘67). Also old enough that it wouldn’t be too long before he headed off to college (which happened in Batman #217, published in 1969). But still young enough that he was drawn as significantly shorter than Babs:

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(Detective Comics #359)

So… my best guess would be that Dick’s around sixteen here, and that him heading off to college was around a year later in comic-time. According to the seven-year age difference established in the Batman Family era, that makes Babs around 23. Which is a bit young to already have a PhD, but we can just accept that maybe she skipped some grades in this version of canon as well. ;-)

Sorry to be going on and on about this, but the thing is, I’m one of those people who actually likes Dick and Barbara’s original age difference. I like Babs having been a bit older and more mature (and do bear in mind, 23 is still not old) as Batgirl. I like her already having been highly educated. I like the element it brings to Dick’s unrequited crush on her back in his Robin days - it makes sense to me that as someone who was dealing with some very adult issues at a young age and had to grow up fast, Dick would have felt drawn towards someone older. It also makes sense that Babs, although thinking he was cute, wouldn’t have been interested in a teenager. (The fact that my own first crush was on someone older probably also factors into why I like this version of canon so much, I admit!) And I also like the element it bring to their adult relationship - even today, it’s still common to see younger women paired up with older men but pretty rare to see the reverse (especially without obnoxious “cougar” comments). And it’s not like seven years would have been a problematic age difference once they were in their twenties-thirties (which is when they actually became a couple, as you rightly point out).

So, IDK, I actually really like the original canon here, and I don’t think there was any good reason for DC to change it. And you can absolutely think differently, but the point is that people who canon Babs as being significantly older than Dick aren’t actually wrong.

Dec 10 '13

Oh, this is her

No regrets

I embrace your defects 

To confess 

You were my every wish(x)