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It's Only the End if You Want it to Be

Posts tagged oracle

Sep 1 '14

tristanarkham:

NIGHTWING : THE SERIES

OMG OMG OMG

Aug 31 '14

You’ve escaped, and you think the world’s a huge place, and you can hide anywhere, right? I’m here to tell you… that world? I own it. Your world is getting smaller by the second. And you can’t hide anywhere from me. Every database, every security cam, and every police band has my fingerprints on it. Every moment you’re out the noose pulls tighter. And Savant, just in case it’s not crystal clear by now… Nobody messes with my partner.

(Source: scootssummers)

Aug 24 '14
mostingeniusparadox:

Nightwing 80-Page Giant

mostingeniusparadox:

Nightwing 80-Page Giant

Aug 24 '14

All because they do not wish to see anyone else suffer the way they do. (x)

(Source: fyeahbatfamily)

Aug 22 '14

whycantwejustlikethings:

So usually we’re all about jokes here, but guys, we have to talk about Issue 8, aka “Dick Grayson shows Babs she could be pretty again if she’d just trust a man to help her.”

Fuck, this issue pisses me off. So here’s the first thing you see:

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Black Canary’s art deserves a post all to itself, but for anyone who got their dicks out for another Playmate-traced jerkfest, sorry! This issue is about a woman in a wheelchair.

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This is what disabled women wear on dates, right? Baggy olive drab sweatshirts?

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Oh, and khakis.

This has been driving me crazy for eight issues. We talk a lot about how women are sexualized in comics, and Black Canary definitely runs around contorting herself into improbable positions. But isn’t it equally problematic that Oracle is pictured in ratty sweats most of the time?

Anyway, Babs and Dick get to talking about their demons, and Babs is all:

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Dick’s like, “Yeah, I get it, you SAY you’re fine, but lemme mansplain about how you can’t possibly be happy in a wheelchair.”

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"Man, you’re right, Dick, my life IS unfulfilling! That’s why they put me in an XXL sweatshirt instead of spandex! It’s a metaphor."

Incidentally, to drive the point home, we get a shot of a clearly Playmate-inspired (or traced) pre-wheelchair Batgirl.

image"I mean, before your spinal cord got severed you could practically touch your hips to your boobs!"

So, anyway, Dick “Amazing Grace” Grayson decides to teach Babs how to be sexy again, by LEAVING HER DANGLING THIRTY FEET IN THE AIR WITHOUT WARNING OR CONSENT.

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But it’s okay, Babs! All you have to do to get down is admit he’s right!

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So of course, he gets smooches.

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But once they’re back on the ground, for SOME REASON she doesn’t want to date him!

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"Right, so, I’ll just keep pushing, then. You’ll let me in eventually, and it’ll be so worth it when you’re sexy again!"

So, to review. Black Canary:

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Batgirl:

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Barbara Gordon on her own:

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Barbara Gordon when she turns herself over to Dick “It’s How You Use It” Grayson:

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I need another fucking drink.

You make a good point about the way Oracle is de-sexualized vs. the sexualization of regularly-abled women, but I would point out that “This is what disabled women wear on dates, right?” isn’t really a valid argument when Babs and Dick both clearly say that this isn’t a date:

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The issue of them potentially dating is brought up in this issue, but this in itself is not a date. No reason Babs should get dressed up just to see a friend. If you wanted to really (over)analyze it, you could actually argue that, since she seems to want to make very sure that Dick knows they’re just doing this as friends, maybe she purposely didn’t get dressed up to make sure he got the message. But that could just be me reading too much into things.

That doesn’t negate your larger point, which I think is a true one, that Babs as Oracle tends to be de-sexualized because of her disability while other women in comics are sexualized. But it is worth noting that saying Babs’ outfit doesn’t make sense for someone on a date is kind of meaningless when she isn’t on a date.

So, let’s get to the content of the issue.

First of all, Dick is not “showing Babs she could be pretty again”? The issue of her looks is literally never brought up in the issue? I get that you’re being sarcastic to make a point, I really do, but you’re also seriously misrepresenting what the issue is about.

More on that later.

Let’s talk about Dick asking Babs what she misses most.

I really do understand why people see that as problematic, and if you only look at it in the context of what Babs says in the panel right before it, it certainly does sound like Dick hasn’t been listening to a word she’s saying. She says she’s happy in her new life and his response is to ask what she misses most? WTF is wrong with that guy, right?

But if you look at it in the larger context of what Babs says on the page right before that (the page your image of Batgirl comes from), it makes a lot more sense:

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Look at what Babs says here: “I remember that night every time I answer the door. And I think about what was taken from me.”

Here’s the thing: This in no way contradicts what she says later about being happy in her new life. Babs can be happy and fulfilled in her role as Oracle (as she herself says, maybe even more than she was in the life she had before), but she can still feel there are things she’s lost, and rightly be angry about that.

There’s a reason Dick says he’s been listening to every word Babs said. He heard the part about how she’s happy in her new life, sure enough, but he also heard the part right before that, where she talks about what was taken from her, and that’s why he says what he does. He’s not contradicting her or “mansplaining” anything - he’s actually directly responding to something she said before.

Babs has moved on, and she is happy in her new life as Oracle, but at this stage in the game she’s also still got a lot of anger and bitterness over what happened (understandably so), and Dick’s perceptive enough to see that. The reason he asks her what she misses most - and then proceeds to show her it’s an experience she can still have - is that he’s trying to show her there are some things which she feels she’s lost which haven’t really been taken from her after all.

I think a lot of people see this issue as Dick trying to focus on the past, but it’s really about the future. That feeling of flying Babs loved? The one she thought she couldn’t have in her new life? That’s an experience she can still have. You could speculate on the larger meaning of what the flying symbolizes, but at its most basic I think it’s meant to encapsulate the things Babs feels were “taken from her”. Obviously, there are some things - like the ability to walk - that she’s never getting back, plain and simple, but there are other things she feels she’s lost that Dick is trying to tell her can, in fact, still be a part of her life.

Far from trying to tell her that she “can’t possibly be happy in a wheelchair”, Dick is actually trying to show Babs that her new life doesn’t need to be as limited as she thinks it does.

And once you look at it in that light, the scene where he gets her to do the jump (or whatever you want to call it) by herself makes a lot more sense. It’s very, very significant that he tells her not just that she has to trust him, but that she has to trust herself. Again, it’s about showing her the possibilities in her new life, the amazing things she’s still capable of doing, the experiences she can still have. That’s not to say there weren’t things Babs was already loving in her new life, but there were also things she felt she’d lost. And that scene is her realizing that some of those things haven’t been lost after all:

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Look how happy she looks when she says “I do, don’t I?” Again, it’s because she’s realizing what she’s still capable of, realizing that there are things she thought she’d lost which can still be a part of her life. 

Some final thoughts:

  • There’s really no evidence that Dick intends to keep pushing Babs at the end of this issue? We don’t see the rest of that conversation, but the issue ends with them just chatting together amicably, and he seems to have dropped the topic of romance. In fact, so far as I can recall, the topic isn’t brought up again until they ultimately get together in Nightwing #38-39. Dick was obviously hoping for them to get together, but he wasn’t pushy about it.
  • I’m… honestly just confused by the whole “when you’re sexy again” thing? Again, what do Barbara’s looks have to do with any of this? When they ultimately get together she looks exactly the same way she does in this issue (including almost identical fashion sense - the loose green shirt/green headband look seemed to be a favorite of hers in that era). Did I miss a scene where Dick tried to give her a makeover or something?
Aug 21 '14

renaroo:

DC Writers Spotlight: Greg Rucka

There’s no writing like Rucka writing, in my opinion. I really can’t think of a writer who has a greater hold on such a huge array of DC characters and narratives. For many of these characters, Rucka’s characterization is my standard.

If it has Greg Rucka’s name on it, you can guarantee I’ll give it a try.

Personal recs:

Rucka’s Wonder Woman
Gotham Central
Batman/Huntress: Cry for Blood
52
And everything he’s done with Kate Kane’s Batwoman.

Aug 20 '14

"True love doesn’t happen right away; it’s an ever-growing process. It develops after you’ve gone through many ups and downs, when you’ve suffered together, cried together, laughed together."
"True love doesn’t happen right away; it’s an ever-growing process. It develops after you’ve gone through many ups and downs, when you’ve suffered together, cried together, laughed together."

(Source: fyeahdickandbabs)

Aug 18 '14
storytellerknight:

Just when my anger at DC and the New 52 had finally begun shifting to apathy, Sensation Comics comes along to remind me that I really, really should still be pissed at DC comics and their choices.
I miss Oracle so much.  It was beyond wonderful to see her show up in the first issue of Sensation.  There is a giant, gaping void in the DC universe where she once stood and DC’s decision to pull Babs away from Oracle instead of allowing her any ties to her former role just burns.
This was the single most powerful character in the DC universe before the reboot.  She had the respect of the Justice League.  She could challenge Batman and win.  She had not just one legacy—the Batgirls who she chose and trained no matter what Bruce said.—but also her Legacy through the Birds of Prey.  Bryan Q. Miller was even building a third, hacker Legacy through her training of Proxy.  She had her own network of operatives that rivaled every other coalition of heroes in the DC universe.  It’s not the fact that she had all this that was mind blowing, it’s the fact that she had all this as a disabled woman.  It’s that she kept amassing strength.  It was that no one at DC ever seemed at a loss when it came to her narrative (compared to Wonder Woman who went through reboot after reboot in the same era).  It’s that they weren’t afraid to admit that she was at least as powerful as Batman and growing stronger.  
Now she’s gone and no one rivals Batman.  Her legacy has been erased while her male colleagues got to keep theirs.  She has been de-aged and de-powered.  A student of Batman’s again instead of his equal.  And as good as the upcoming Batgirl book looks with its lighter imagery, it’s almost like Babs keeps growing younger.  Moving backwards.  
I can’t forgive DC for doing that to her.  For cutting out the powerhouse that was Oracle.  For erasing one of the most visible disabled characters in comics.   For keeping the Killing Joke canon when they had a chance to get rid of it.  I can’t forgive DC their treatment of Barbara Gordon.  The release of Sensation Comics today was a reminder of why I shouldn’t.  
Otherwise Sensation was quite lovely and you should all go buy it.  For a variety of reasons (Wonder Woman’s prominence within the Trinity, out of New 52 continuity storytelling, the return of Oracle (if only for this arc)), it’s really important that this book succeeds.    

storytellerknight:

Just when my anger at DC and the New 52 had finally begun shifting to apathy, Sensation Comics comes along to remind me that I really, really should still be pissed at DC comics and their choices.

I miss Oracle so much.  It was beyond wonderful to see her show up in the first issue of Sensation.  There is a giant, gaping void in the DC universe where she once stood and DC’s decision to pull Babs away from Oracle instead of allowing her any ties to her former role just burns.

This was the single most powerful character in the DC universe before the reboot.  She had the respect of the Justice League.  She could challenge Batman and win.  She had not just one legacy—the Batgirls who she chose and trained no matter what Bruce said.—but also her Legacy through the Birds of Prey.  Bryan Q. Miller was even building a third, hacker Legacy through her training of Proxy.  She had her own network of operatives that rivaled every other coalition of heroes in the DC universe.  It’s not the fact that she had all this that was mind blowing, it’s the fact that she had all this as a disabled woman.  It’s that she kept amassing strength.  It was that no one at DC ever seemed at a loss when it came to her narrative (compared to Wonder Woman who went through reboot after reboot in the same era).  It’s that they weren’t afraid to admit that she was at least as powerful as Batman and growing stronger.  

Now she’s gone and no one rivals Batman.  Her legacy has been erased while her male colleagues got to keep theirs.  She has been de-aged and de-powered.  A student of Batman’s again instead of his equal.  And as good as the upcoming Batgirl book looks with its lighter imagery, it’s almost like Babs keeps growing younger.  Moving backwards.  

I can’t forgive DC for doing that to her.  For cutting out the powerhouse that was Oracle.  For erasing one of the most visible disabled characters in comics.   For keeping the Killing Joke canon when they had a chance to get rid of it.  I can’t forgive DC their treatment of Barbara Gordon.  The release of Sensation Comics today was a reminder of why I shouldn’t.  

Otherwise Sensation was quite lovely and you should all go buy it.  For a variety of reasons (Wonder Woman’s prominence within the Trinity, out of New 52 continuity storytelling, the return of Oracle (if only for this arc)), it’s really important that this book succeeds.    

Aug 11 '14

fanbingblink:

You know what you should do instead of just writing a woman who fights physically?
(x)

Jul 30 '14

tinyredbird:

vickah:

Anon asked for all the flower crowns together. 

:’) Kon

Jul 30 '14

(Source: axeeeee)

Jul 25 '14
toalwaysbeme replied to your post:
Okay but what if there were a Team Batgirl book with Oracle calling the shots and Black Bat and Batgirl out in the field (or Nightwing!Steph and Batgirl!Nell yesplease)… that started out as a question but now I just really want that

I’ve spoken about wanting a book like that in the past, actually! Even had conversations with other fans about who should be the theoretical writer/artist for the book. A lot of people tend to go with either Bryan Q. Miller or Gail Simone for writing, but my personal belief tends to be that Cass is a lot harder to get right as a character than Babs or Steph, so I’d rather have a writer who’s proven they can write her well, which neither Miller nor Simone has (and in fact, Miller’s treatment of Cass was pretty dang problematic, though I’m willing to believe there was editorial interference involved.)

My personal choice would be Dylan Horrocks, who had a quite good run on Cass’s Batgirl series and wrote some absolutely fantastic scenes between the three:

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The choice of artist is less tricky as I can think of a bunch who’d do a great job… but as we were discussing the other day, Marcus To needs a project worthy of his talents, and he’s definitely shown he can draw all three of them fantastically:

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So that would be my dream team for the book. :-) Dylan Horrocks as the writer, Marcus To on art.

Jul 15 '14

(Source: hawkmans)

Jul 13 '14
henchkobun21:

With all the Batgirl fanart going around right now, it seems like a very important time to post some art of Oracle.
The state of women’s costumes in comics is terrible, the new Batgirl costume is nice. 
But there was a price, it was incredibly high, and people need to remember that.  DC wants people to forget that they’ve virtually removed people with disabilities from their little world. They want fans to forget that there were readers with disabilities literally begging the company not to take away their representation, and DC ignored them. So it’s up to us to make sure people remember.
This piece was penciled by Jackson Guice and colored by Tom Smith.

henchkobun21:

With all the Batgirl fanart going around right now, it seems like a very important time to post some art of Oracle.

The state of women’s costumes in comics is terrible, the new Batgirl costume is nice. 

But there was a price, it was incredibly high, and people need to remember that.  DC wants people to forget that they’ve virtually removed people with disabilities from their little world. They want fans to forget that there were readers with disabilities literally begging the company not to take away their representation, and DC ignored them. So it’s up to us to make sure people remember.

This piece was penciled by Jackson Guice and colored by Tom Smith.

Mar 13 '14

I don’t necessarily love everything about the issue of The Brave and the Bold that the first scene here comes from, but I couldn’t help but notice this parallel and thought it was kind of interesting.

A lot of people seem to interpret Dick as having been really hung up on Barbara’s past, but personally that’s not my take on it. I think that when they’re being written well, what Dick does for Babs is he reminds her that that part of her life isn’t over - she can still dance, and she can still fly, and she can still have fun and do the things that make her feel free and happy and alive. She’s changed and grown up a lot, it’s true, but that doesn’t mean she needs to let that side of herself go.

So the people who interpret Dick as being hung up with the past (including writers like Devin Grayson) are getting it wrong, IMO. Dick isn’t hung up on the fun they used to have, he’s focused on reminding Babs that having that kind of fun doesn’t need to be in the past.