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Okay I got impatient for when I asked last time, so I looked up as much information as I could for evidence that Tim Drake is canonically Jewish, and all I could really find was his mother Janet was Jewish and Chuck Dixon intended to write him as such.
Anybody have any further evidence?
I do think Tim’s mom being Jewish is still up for debate (since it was never made explicit), but the quote from Dixon is actually pretty substantial. He said that he has always viewed Tim as being Jewish, and most probably written him with that mindset. So it’s not too far-fetched to say that he’s ambiguously Jewish.
I thought he was just ethnically Jewish because of the whole paced-down-by-mom-thing
luanna255 is ‘ethnicly’ the right term?
Yes, although that’s not the whole story.
If Tim’s mom is Jewish, he would be considered Jewish by any religious authority, as well as ethnically Jewish, obviously.
If Tim’s dad is Jewish, he would be considered simply a non-Jew by many religious authorities, ethnically Jewish but not religiously Jewish to those who make that distinction (such as yours truly), and religiously Jewish by a few more lenient religious authorities.
But when you’re writing a character, what’s far more important than how other people might label them is how they’d label themselves, so I think the real question here is: Does Tim consider himself Jewish?
We’ve never seen him depicted as religiously observant (even insofar as celebrating the holidays in some way like many non-religious Jews do - Kate lights a menorah in one issue, for example), so I’d have to say he doesn’t view Judaism as his religion. But he could still identify as ethnically Jewish, feel kinship with the Jews as his people, or have his identity informed by Judaism in some aspect. The problem is, it would be hard to make the case that he does, because (to my knowledge) we’ve never seen that to be true. He could be written that way in the future, but based on the canon we’ve got I’d have to say so far there’s little evidence that Tim thinks of himself as a Jew in any way.
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There are places I remember
All my life, though some have changed
Some forever, not for better
Some have gone and some remain
All these places had their moments
With lovers and friends I still can recall
Some are dead and some are living
In my life I’ve loved them all (x)
Reblog if you LIKE TIM DRAKE.
I don’t care which one or from where or what time period or comic arc. Any Tim Drake. There are 20 billion versions of him at this point, pick one. (Though almost all of them are: smart, sassy, incredibly geeky, fiercely loyal, and completely deprived of any lasting happiness.)
I’d just like to know that other people like him please.
The people currently in charge of him certainly don’t.
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Bat-dad showing he cares about his children (before and after the New 52).
Funny thing, if you put all the pictures together… You see Nightwing crying in corner lol
And none for Dick Grayson bye.
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My Tim Drake meta usually doesn’t get much beyond “once upon a time, a nice boy gave him a hug” and this is the actual saddest origin story because dead parents and criminal dads and all that are still fundamentally about the kids in question making choices, about resolving to be the thing that saves other kids from feeling like they feel.
But “once upon a time, a nice boy gave him a hug” is the story of a kid who was so lonely, so sad, that he obsessively watched and learned every secret of that bright, generous body that had once hugged him, to the point where the kid could see through an otherwise secret identity just through familiar body language.
Every batkid becomes a batkid because they had nowhere else to go, but Tim was the only one who knew in advance that it was going to be the only place that felt like home.
A MILLION TIMES YES
I swear this made me tear up a little both because his origin story is what it is, and because I miss Tim—my Timmy—so much, i feel like he’s been gone since… IDK Willingham, with a short reappearance during Yost Red Robin, and then suddenly Olympic athlete with proud parents whose real name isn’t even Tim Drake.
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Why I love Dick #31648: He was always sharing the computer chair with his siblings
He is such an amazing big brother.
I think it also shows something about his approach to being Batman? He doesn’t really have that… controlling aspect that Bruce does. Don’t get me wrong - Dick can and does take control of a situation when necessary. He couldn’t be such a good leader if he couldn’t. But he fundamentally treats the people he works with as his equals, even when he’s technically the one “in charge”, and I think that’s something really important about him.
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![helenabertinellihuntress:
The Bat Fam as it used to be.
[Batman #713]
Stephanie Brown.
Helena Bertinelli.
Babs as Oracle.
Tim as Robin.
And now Damian.
Seriously, it’s depressing how much of this is gone now.
I want my Batfam back, darnit. >__<
On a happier note, this art is gorgeous.](http://24.media.tumblr.com/e00bb9e0da74cb1a1a8f6d72f24a0482/tumblr_mfg3cnTjW41reda2zo1_500.jpg)
The Bat Fam as it used to be.
[Batman #713]
Stephanie Brown.
Helena Bertinelli.
Babs as Oracle.
Tim as Robin.
And now Damian.
Seriously, it’s depressing how much of this is gone now.
I want my Batfam back, darnit. >__<
On a happier note, this art is gorgeous.
“Death cannot stop true love. All it can do is delay it for a while.”
~ The Princess Bride
I’ve been bugged by this page for a long time but I couldn’t put a finger on it, until it hit me today — the real Tim Drake wouldn’t not know who Caravaggio is.
And while I was flipping through ‘A Lonely Place of Dying’ to screencap that image, I came across this:
Did Tim still meet Dick Grayson at the circus? Is he still a Robin fanboy? Oh I’m getting preboot Batfamily feels ;____;
I’m going to ignore those (now-answered) questions on the bottom there because otherwise I think I might cry.
But about this scene: I actually assumed that Tim was kidding with the “Didn’t he play for the Yankees?” line. It’s been well established that Tim’s brand of humor flies straight over Damian’s head, so I just assumed that Tim was trying to cut the tension with a joke, but Damian took it completely literally. Which would also explain why Tim snaps that Damian is an “arrogant idiot” - i.e., he’s so busy assuming he’s smarter than everyone else that he can’t pick up on when someone’s being tongue-in-cheek.
I don’t know. That reading of the scene certainly makes it more in-character for Tim, but if I’m right that that’s what Tomasi intended, he probably should’ve made it a bit clearer.
Still easily one of the best interactions between the Batboys in the reboot, though.
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So, Tim. No one else you’d want by your side, eh?
A Partial List of People Tim Drake Would Want By His Side Going Into Battle Over Jason Todd:
- Bruce Wayne
- Dick Grayson
- Conner Kent/Kon-El
- Stephanie Brown
- Cassandra Cain
- Bart Allen
- Barbara Gordon
- Cassie Sandsmark
- Helena Bertinelli
- Probably Selina Kyle
- Possibly Jean-Paul Valley as well
- Hell, maybe even Damian
- Literally anyone short of actual villains
“And then I think… no… it’s for Tim. For him, a thousand ninjas is just the start of what I would do.” (Nightwing #138)
“You’re my brother, Dick. You’ll always be there for me.” (Red Robin #12)
I could write a long essay-worth of commentary here, but really, I think only one sentence is necessary:
#@^%$ you, Lobdell.
…I….I don’t even know where to start with this.
Except that I’m picturing Nightwing outside the window like this—
UM.
WHAT?
There is so much WTF going on here, I barely know where to start.
Okay, let’s start with this: “Jason and I haven’t talked a lot since he came back from the dead”.
Well, you certainly didn’t talk BEFORE he came back from the dead, because you guys didn’t know each other yet. That used to be Tim’s whole backstory? He tracked Dick and Bruce down after Jason’s death, because Bruce was falling apart and Batman needs a Robin? Remember that?
I mean, yeah, I know the reboot changed some of that backstory around, but I’m pretty sure the part about it being after Jason’s death is still intact. Wasn’t the whole excuse for Tim not being a Robin that he said it would be “disrespectful to Jason’s memory”? If Jason was still alive at that time, how does that even make SENSE?!
And, OK. Wow. Jason is the closest thing to a brother Tim’s ever had. Just… wow. Wowowow.
Between this and Jason now being Roy’s “only friend”, Dick should seriously just call the cops on the fact that Jason is pulling a Single White Female on his entire freaking life. I can’t even.
Y’know, I’m not opposed to Tim and Jay forming a closer relationship. I’m in favor of it, even, if it’s handled properly. Tim obviously looked up to Jason’s memory before he came back from the dead. And they had some nice moments prior to the reboot.
But they also had… a LOT of not-so-nice moments. A lot of downright terrible moments, in fact.
I’m talking about this kind of thing:
Jason resents Tim. A lot. He feels like the fact that Bruce just took on a new Robin after his death means that he was replaceable. That his death meant nothing to Bruce. And he resents Tim for being held up as the ‘perfect’ Robin that he couldn’t be. For having all the privileges that Jason never got.
They have a lot of bad history between them, OK? And that’s not just going to go away. I do believe they could have a better relationship someday, but they’d have to LEARN to trust each other. Jason’s done a LOT to make Tim distrust him, and Tim is wary by nature. They’re not just going to bounce back from that.
And the thing is, unlike Bruce, Dick, and Babs, Tim DIDN’T have a relationship with Jason prior to his death. Their relationship was adversarial from the start, and that would make it that much harder for them to bury the hatchet. Because they don’t have that good foundation to build on.
Does that mean it would be impossible? No. But it would be hard.
Unless, of course, all of these obstacles are magically wiped off the slate (right down to the class difference, which is seriously SO essential to understanding them as characters. Granted, Tim isn’t a street kid now, but he no longer comes from that privileged upperclass background that put him so at odds with Jason, who had to survive on his own from childhood).
This isn’t just revisionist history, it’s lazy storytelling. It’s magically wiping the slate clean instead of allowing for genuine growth, which would have been more compelling and, ultimately, more rewarding.
And I’m not even going to start on what this implies about Dick and Tim’s relationship and the numerous ways that infuriates me, or we’d be here all day.
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