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Okay I got impatient for when I asked last time, so I looked up as much information as I could for evidence that Tim Drake is canonically Jewish, and all I could really find was his mother Janet was Jewish and Chuck Dixon intended to write him as such.
Anybody have any further evidence?
I do think Tim’s mom being Jewish is still up for debate (since it was never made explicit), but the quote from Dixon is actually pretty substantial. He said that he has always viewed Tim as being Jewish, and most probably written him with that mindset. So it’s not too far-fetched to say that he’s ambiguously Jewish.
I thought he was just ethnically Jewish because of the whole paced-down-by-mom-thing
Yes, although that’s not the whole story.
If Tim’s mom is Jewish, he would be considered Jewish by any religious authority, as well as ethnically Jewish, obviously.
If Tim’s dad is Jewish, he would be considered simply a non-Jew by many religious authorities, ethnically Jewish but not religiously Jewish to those who make that distinction (such as yours truly), and religiously Jewish by a few more lenient religious authorities.
But when you’re writing a character, what’s far more important than how other people might label them is how they’d label themselves, so I think the real question here is: Does Tim consider himself Jewish?
We’ve never seen him depicted as religiously observant (even insofar as celebrating the holidays in some way like many non-religious Jews do - Kate lights a menorah in one issue, for example), so I’d have to say he doesn’t view Judaism as his religion. But he could still identify as ethnically Jewish, feel kinship with the Jews as his people, or have his identity informed by Judaism in some aspect. The problem is, it would be hard to make the case that he does, because (to my knowledge) we’ve never seen that to be true. He could be written that way in the future, but based on the canon we’ve got I’d have to say so far there’s little evidence that Tim thinks of himself as a Jew in any way.
I’m just gonna - wow people. W O WSeriously. I mean, don’t get me wrong, gratuitously scantily-clad heroines are a separate issue and I have plenty to say on that issue. But that’s not what this post was about. This post was about how regardless of how much or little a superheroine is wearing, it’s still the artist’s choice whether to sexualize them or not. It’s really not about the costumes at all.
So if I understand correctly, your tests had to include memorising the various texts and commentaries? If so, yours is a much higher level-I had my big finishing test today, and I basically didn't have to study or remember much for it because all the information was given as part of the test...I'm curious about the Hebrew vocabulary- did you have to study Hebrew in general- like the grammar and origins of words and stuff- or just from the passages you were given? sorry again for bothering you ><
You’re not a bother!
Yeah, you’re understanding that correctly. As for the Hebrew vocabulary, for our Biblical subjects we only had to remember words or phrases from the text we were currently studying. However, we also studied Hebrew as a separate subject, as a language.
If you want to discuss this further, I’d be happy to, but it might be better if you came off Anon? I don’t want to clutter up my followers’ dashes, if that’s okay.
sorry if I'm nagging, but what sort of questions were including in the test? 'cause I've got a feeling that yours were of a much higher level than ours, which mostly require an understanding of Hebrew and the ability to look through our bible books and say what we think the passages mean and why did the people act like that/why the passage was written like that...
You’re not nagging!
Well, like I said, I was in Jewish school from nursery school up until I started college, and we had multiple Judaic subjects, so I’ve taken a LOT of Bible-related tests in my life. Most of the time, it was questions on the content itself, questions about the various commentaries (like Rashi, the Rambam, etc.), and some memorization of quotes - like fill-in-the-blanks on a quotation, or being given a quote out of context and needing to answer who said it to whom, that kind of thing.
Plus there was always some Hebrew vocabulary taken from whatever we were studying that we’d need to translate.
Hi! You're Jewish, but from the States, right? Did you go to a jewish school? I'm asking because I'm from Israel, And I just had my final Bible test (it's a compulsory subject here), and I've been wondering if they had Bible tests anywhere else for the children raised by the Jewish community around the world...
Yep! And I did go to a Jewish school, all my life until college, so Bible studies (and tests) of all kinds were pretty much a given.
I can’t speak for every country, but in the US Jewish kids who are raised affiliated are usually sent to Jewish schools, assuming they live in an area with a large enough Jewish community for such a school to exist. Which is pretty much how it is in any country with a strong Jewish presence, I think.
Hi! :) Have you ever done a Phil Noto photoset? (if not- are you going to?)
I haven’t, although I do very much admire his art!
As to whether I’m going to - it hadn’t occurred to me until now, but maybe! We shall see. ;-)
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO REALLLLLLLLLLLLY DISLIKED FRANK MILLER OH HAPPY DAY PRAISE REALLY LIKE I'M ACTUALLY SO HAPPY RN I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE
Definitely not the only one! :-)
To be honest, I appreciate that Frank Miller’s writing revolutionized the way Batman was written, but I couldn’t honestly tell you I’ve ever really enjoyed a story of his. All-Star Batman and Robin is a complete mess, that’s generally acknowledged, but I’m not even such a huge fan of the works everyone seems to love like Batman: Year One and The Dark Knight Returns. He just takes the grimdarkedgy thing too far, IMO, his default with writing women is apparently to make them strippers or prostitutes (???), and he has absolutely no grasp of other characters like Superman.
I truly do not care for his writing at all.
I'm sure we're agreed that there are a lot of problematic things in the new52-missing characters, ignoring histories and characterization to say the least. what do you think is the best route of fixing it? unbenching characters and histories into the new continuity, or a flashpoint-like event that will bring DCU back into the pre-boot continuity?
God, I don’t even know at this point.
Tentatively, I’d say some things can be brought back without needing a reboot. Donna Troy, for example - we’ve seen nothing to say that she *couldn’t* exist, we just haven’t seen her. Easy enough to bring her in. Lois and Clark could be put back together and Lois’ presence in the narrative increased with no reboot, although of course the history of their marriage would still be lost.
Other characters can be brought back from the dead with relatively little fuss, and honestly I’ll accept any explanation they want to give. Helena Bertinelli faked her death on a top-secret mission. Damian Wayne was thrown into a Lazarus pit. By comic standards, bringing these characters back could be simple enough (we never actually saw Helena dead, and reincarnation is kinda a thing in Damian’s family.) Just do it.
In a case of a lot of the retconned backstories, I’d say it’s just a simple matter of re-retconning them back into place. Eventually, they’re obviously gonna do another Year One/flashback-story type thing for these characters. Use that to undo some of the changes that were made. Show Tim being Robin, show the original Titans existing (only a few characters make this problematic… see below)… and write these characters with that history in mind.
But then there are thornier problems. Dinah Lance really being Dinah Sr. Shiva suddenly being the same age as Dick, making Cass’s existence impossible (honestly, childish though it may sound, I’d say just go back to writing her as Bruce’s age and pretend that retcon never happened). Garth being a small child. Babs being Batgirl again. And so on.
These issues aren’t so easily undone. Babs, especially, is a tough issue - it’s not as simple as injuring her and putting her back in a wheelchair. Because that’s only superficially what was lost. What was amazing about Oracle wasn’t that she was in a wheelchair - it was the position of power and authority she occupied from that wheelchair, and that’s not an easy thing to get back with this “younger, more inexperienced” Babs.
So it’s issues like that that make me think yes, maybe some kind of Flashpoint-like event is necessary after all. At least to some degree. It would certainly make all of this much easier to undo, but does DC look foolish if they just completely reset their continuity so soon after they just did it? That’s why I doubt they’re going to want to handle things that way.
Sorry, a bit of a muddled answer there, but unfortunately while I can think of several ways of undoing or mitigating the damage, there are no easy solutions here.
Aw man you should watch Linkara’s Miller Time episodes. He really rips Miller a new one while being hilarious.
I may or may not be slighly in love with Linkara’s reviews, generally.
You forgot something: Dick Grayson, 12 years old. (not sure whether to be crying or rofling btw)
Dick Grayson. Age twelve. Would not use the word ‘queer’ as an insult. He wouldn’t. He wouldn’t use the word ‘queer’ as an insult.
Or try to murder Hal Jordan. He wouldn’t do that either. Dick Grayson. Age twelve. Would not try to murder Hal Jordan. He would not.
Dick Grayson. Age twelve. Also shouldn’t sound like a posturing punk brat. Dick Grayson. Age twelve. Is enthusiastic about things. Enthusiastic. He has enthusiasm.
Frank Miller. Age fifty-six. Does not understand Dick Grayson. Age twelve. He doesn’t understand him.
He also doesn’t understand. The Goddamn Batman. He doesn’t.
Frank Miller doesn’t understand these characters.
Frank Miller. Age fifty-six. Does not understand these characters.
At the sheer mention of ASBAR I curl up in a ball sobbing. That’s almost not an exaggeration - I was asked my opinion by an older male comic fan once and he was legitimately concerned about my sanity by the end of the conversation.
I hate ASBaR. I hate ASBaR.
ASBaR sucks. I hate it.
Frank Miller is an overrated hack. He’s a hack. I hate his guts. I hate his guts.
He wrote the comic terribly. Terribly. It was terrible.
Also redundant. Redundant. He repeated things unnecessarily. Over and over. Over and over.
You really can say things just once, Frank. You can. You can.
Also Batman shouldn’t sound like a posturing bratty punk. A posturing, bratty punk who loves repetition. He shouldn’t. He shouldn’t.
ASBaR sucks. I hate it. I hate it.
oh my god I could never keep up with that much I’d melt under the stress of it
It’s not stressful at all! I mean, obviously I recognized long ago that I’d never be able to catch up on my dash every time I visited tumblr.
I just check up on my close friends’ blogs periodically, to be sure I haven’t missed anything.
Yes but we don’t seek to control you for our own selfish gains.
Or, maybe you just haven’t revealed yourselves yet. Maybe we’re still in the honeymoon phase where you say all the right things and make me feel totally loved and accepted and needed, and then sooner or later you’re going to pull back the mask and reveal that it’s all been part of some sinister plot.
Dear lord that episode. Fucking scarring. I didn’t even need to read that tag to know which one. SLADE!! *eye twitch*
Hold me, please?
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