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GUYS I DON’T MEAN TO ALARM U BUT
actually they’e called Ariel swim bottoms but we all know who wears scaly boyshorts and it ain’t Ariel
You could pair it with a red tankini top like this one:
and have a complete Robin bathing suit.
some people think bruce is a terrible person for taking young boys and putting them in danger just to use them like his personal soldiers and that he was adult, therefore he shouldn't give to the children's whimps....I'm curiuos what will be your answer to that?
I do think there’s some truth to that, actually. He’s taking children as young as eight in some continuities (Dick was eight when he became Robin in the original canon) and taking them out to fight some of the most dangerous and evil criminals in the world. That’s iffy at best and criminally irresponsible at worst. The fact that he’s now lost three of the five mainverse Robins speaks to the truth of that, I think. I may not like DC’s decision to kill off those characters, but I can’t really argue that it’s unrealistic. (Of course, realistically Bruce would probably have died a hundred times over, too.) Even with the ones who survived, there were close calls - Two-Face nearly beat Dick to death when Dick was thirteen, for example (as told in Robin #0 of Tim’s series and Robin: Year One).
So how do you explain Bruce taking a risk like that with a child’s life without making him look like an awful person? To me, the best explanation is either (1) that he saw they were going to do it anyway, with or without his approval, and realized that in that case the best thing he could do would be to train them and keep them under his wing to give them their best chance of survival, or (2) he saw something in them that made him believe that, if they weren’t given crimefighting as an outlet, they would go down a worse path. These two explanations can also be combined. (And, of course, these are only general explanations - there were more specific factors at play for each of the Robins/Batgirls, but I’m not gonna go through that here.)
At the end of the day, it is hard to justify, though, and suspension of disbelief is really necessary - especially to explain why Bruce kept taking on Robins after Jason died. (“Batman needs a Robin” is all very well, but is that really justification for endangering a child’s life? What about what the child needs?) There’s never gonna be an explanation which makes perfect sense, there are only explanations which make more sense (and make Bruce look less irresponsible) than others.
Dick and Babs :)
No ship bashing is going on here (obviously), it’s just that I got carried away and wrote too much. Brace yourselves :|
This is all good but I do want to step in and say that in the original canon, Babs was 7 years older than Dick. This was made pretty darn explicit:
(Batman Family #7)
(Batman Family #10. Dick was in Hudson University at this time, so he was around 18 to Barbara’s 25 - which fits perfectly with the 7-year age difference mentioned in the last scene.)
Fans (and early shippers!) even commented on this at the time:
(For the record, while I agree with Mr. (or Ms.?) Rivera in sentiment, I would point out that while 18 may technically be of legal age, a relationship between a teenager and someone significantly older is often problematic, regardless of gender.)
So you can accept whatever canon you like about their age difference (DC’s certainly changed their story plenty over the years), but you can’t really come along and say “Babs was 17 when she became Batgirl and anyone who doesn’t think so is wrong”, because that wasn’t the original canon and it wouldn’t become the canon until decades later. Per the original canon, Babs was old enough to already have a PhD when she became Batgirl:
That’s from Detective Comics #359, the issue that introduced Babs to the world. In fact, those are the very first panels she appears in in her civilian identity. And one of the very first facts that the story goes out of its way to establish about her is that she has a PhD and graduated summa cum laude (with the highest honors).
Bear in mind that this was the sixties. The women’s lib movement was in full swing. Women around the world were fighting to break glass ceilings in education and careers. Barbara was officially conceived of and promoted as the new, feminist Batgirl (as opposed to Betty and Kathy Kane). If you don’t think her degree of education was part of that, I think you’re missing a big part of the picture here. Barbara’s PhD was a symbol of her power and intelligence, just like the fact that she later became a Congresswoman.
And the fact that DC felt the need to de-age her over the years, until in later versions of her backstory she’s too young to have had a PhD when she became Batgirl (although I’d point out that even in Batgirl: Year One, she’s already graduated from college early, not high school. That’s why she’s thinking of applying to police academy. Read the book’s Wikipedia entry, for example), too young to have been a Congresswoman in her Batgirl years, and so DC just retconned these elements right out of her backstory… well, that says something pretty un-empowering, IMO. Especially when you consider that Barbara’s romantic relationship with Dick, and the idea that people would be put off by having her be too much older than him, may well have played a role in the change. I’ll give DC the benefit of the doubt and say maybe they were just trying to appeal to a younger audience, and thought books like Batgirl: Year One would sell better with a teenage protagonist. But the implications there aren’t so great, either.
But back to the original canon. Regardless of which origin story you’re going by, you’re definitely right that Dick was a teenager and not a child when Babs became Batgirl. How old exactly? Unclear. Old enough to have already founded the Teen Titans a while back (the Titans were officially formed in 1965, Babs debuted in ‘67). Also old enough that it wouldn’t be too long before he headed off to college (which happened in Batman #217, published in 1969). But still young enough that he was drawn as significantly shorter than Babs:
(Detective Comics #359)
So… my best guess would be that Dick’s around sixteen here, and that him heading off to college was around a year later in comic-time. According to the seven-year age difference established in the Batman Family era, that makes Babs around 23. Which is a bit young to already have a PhD, but we can just accept that maybe she skipped some grades in this version of canon as well. ;-)
Sorry to be going on and on about this, but the thing is, I’m one of those people who actually likes Dick and Barbara’s original age difference. I like Babs having been a bit older and more mature (and do bear in mind, 23 is still not old) as Batgirl. I like her already having been highly educated. I like the element it brings to Dick’s unrequited crush on her back in his Robin days - it makes sense to me that as someone who was dealing with some very adult issues at a young age and had to grow up fast, Dick would have felt drawn towards someone older. It also makes sense that Babs, although thinking he was cute, wouldn’t have been interested in a teenager. (The fact that my own first crush was on someone older probably also factors into why I like this version of canon so much, I admit!) And I also like the element it bring to their adult relationship - even today, it’s still common to see younger women paired up with older men but pretty rare to see the reverse (especially without obnoxious “cougar” comments). And it’s not like seven years would have been a problematic age difference once they were in their twenties-thirties (which is when they actually became a couple, as you rightly point out).
So, IDK, I actually really like the original canon here, and I don’t think there was any good reason for DC to change it. And you can absolutely think differently, but the point is that people who canon Babs as being significantly older than Dick aren’t actually wrong.
during dick and damian’s time as batman and robin like there’s no way you can convince me that dick didn’t take him up to the top of the penthouse and was like “damian everything the light touches is our kingdom. a king’s time as ruler rises and falls like the sun. one day, damian, the sun will set on my time here, and will rise with you as the new king.”
and damian took these words to heart and engraved them into his psyche and got emotional about them
and like 5 years later when he’s in his mid-teens and hanging out with the titans, they watch the lion king and he’s so furious he literally walks out of the movie and calls dick and is like
THE FUCKING LION KING????????????????????
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