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What do you think of Phil Noto? Do you think he'd be good for that Bat title you mentioned a good while back?
Mhhh… I love Phil, I don’t know if he’d fit the book but I’d like to see what he could do with it.
His work on Batgirl #27 (Cass’s series) makes me think he’d probably be quite a good fit:
He can definitely draw the characters, and from what you’ve said I think this would fit the tone you have in mind quite well, no?
… give or take a few. Here’s a (most definitely incomplete) list of characters who have worn the Robin uniform, played a Robin-like role or a role in a way connected to being Robin.
Starting off, the Big Five: Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown and Damian Wayne.
Anonymous asked: “Tim? Has a temper. A very, very nasty temper”. Not to sound rude or belitting but I thought Jason was the angry Robin?
Hmmm. Okay. It’s important to note that “carries a lot of anger” and “has a nasty temper” are different things. Birds, butterflies, and bats all have wings, but nobody is going to argue that all three are the same type of wing, are they? Same thing with Jason and Tim. Simply because they express their anger in similar ways doesn’t mean they both arrived at that point from the exact same experiences. I don’t claim to be an expert here, but to me, Jason’s rage seems more of the “builds up to the point where it has to come out any way it can”, which is more of a sign of an inability to express anger in ways that help him reach a resolution. Looking at Under the Hood, Jason initially seems angry at Bruce, but later on it becomes clear it’s betrayal and hurt, not just purely anger. Arguably he has the same problem as MCU!Bruce Banner (whose “anger” is more often than not actually fear): he can’t really express his feelings in a healthy way, not because he has a bad temper.
Tim, on the other hand, is perfectly capable of venting his feelings; however, his particular temperament is such that when he expresses anger, he does it extremely violently. This is a personality trait that shows itself consistently throughout the comics canon (wow I’m actually rather happy writers remember this): he trashes his room, he beats Villain of the Week almost half to death, he lashes out at Damian, ad infinitum. Looking at canon, you actually have a much stronger case for Tim being “the angry Robin”, much more so than Jason.
Again, I’m no expert, I’m just a reader like you and this is only my opinion.
Reblogging this because this is relevant to my interests. I agree with everything the writer pointed out.
I’d also like to add that assuming every Robin has a trait is normal (and to fair it’s a good way to tell them apart), but you can’t pretend they don’t share traits. The Robins aren’t just ‘The happy one, the angry one, the detective one, the girl and the son’. The Robin are supposed to be multidimensional characters you could find in real life, they are people.
Dick is known for his bad jokes and sense of humor, but Jason and Tim also have their own dry sarcastic way of making fun of things and Damian is slowly but surely growing one. Tim is the smart Robin but that doesn’t mean the others aren’t able to investigate and pull a Batman on their own.
Jason is angry and doesn’t think much before he jumps into attack, but that doesn’t mean other Robins can’t pent up anger and lash out. And somebody like Tim, who has no idea how to deal with his feelings and tends to keep them inside… well, when he does show anger he kind of explodes.
Can I hug this post? Can I frame it on my wall for everyone to see? Can I freaking marry it?
Because seriously… YES. Yes, yes, yes, yes YES. THIS.
I hate when people try to write the Robins (or Batgirls, or any character, really) into these narrow little boxes. Because Dick is “The Happy One”, and Jason is “The Angry One”, and Tim is “The Smart One”, etc., and there can never be any overlap between them? And their characters can never be any more nuanced than that? HOW ABOUT NO.
Newsflash? EVERY SINGLE ONE of the Robins has a temper. Yes, ALL of them. Even Tim, “the quiet one”. Even Dick and Steph, “the happy ones” (and believe me, I can prove it). Now, that doesn’t mean they’ll all get angry in the same way, or to the same degree, or over the same things. Because they won’t. And it doesn’t mean they’re all equally likely to lose their temper.
But believe me when I say that you do not want to get on the bad side of ANY ONE of the Robins. Because they can ALL be “the angry one” if you push the right buttons, and you don’t want to be there when they do.
So, with all the reading of comics, wiki-walking, and what not I’ve been doing over the last year or so, a thought occurred to me: We call it ‘the Batman Family’… then why is the theme that seems to be talked about the most with Batman ‘vengeance’ and ‘justice’?
Now, a lot of what I’ve see in the pages I’ve been reading, there is a lot of family aspects that do come up, but I’m talking about fan/reviewer/writer thought process here.
What a dead end vengeance and justice are when compared to the greater plot of familial connections. I’m told that the great trinity of Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman represent truth, hope, and justice respectively. I say no to that.
Truth, Hope, Love.
Think about it for a second. What gets Bruce started on the road to being the Dark Knight? The loss of his parents, the loss of a loving family. He starts his crusade, and along the way, he picks up Dick. A sidekick that becomes more then just a partner, but something of a son in some respects. The same with Barbra as a sort of niece/daughter, then Jason, Tim (eventually in an official capacity even). Cassandra Cain shows up and with Barbra taking her under wing, you get a sort of ‘mother/father’ aspect out of Babs and Bruce. Steph steps up too. Huntress and the rest of the birds of prey as (depending on parts of continuity) literal and extended family. Toss in Damian as an actual heir to the throne of Wayne…
Looking at the history I’ve been combing through and starting to read first hand, I don’t see a story about vengeance. I see a story about how people of different walks of life can come together to help fill the holes left in their hearts and become a family. Not one of blood (mostly) but one of spirit, forged in the same mission: To protect others and keep them from feeling the same pains they feel as much as they can.
There is more to this rant, but it would take a lot of fact checking on what I remember looking up months ago. When I’ve gotten farther in my reading and have done more research, I’ll elaborate on all of this.
Still, in the end I don’t see a story of justice. Not one of Vengeance. Those are starting points, not the whole saga.
Ultimately, I see a story of Love.
Brilliant, perfect, beautiful post. It IS a story of love. I just really wish DC still remembered that.
Dick would so kiss Barbara in the moment and dip her back, before accidentally dropping her when his name was called.
Tim’s actually canonically done that to Steph:
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