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I’ve been thinking a lot about Dick Grayson and Tim Drake, and their skills as detectives. Now, for the most part, Tim Drake is shown to be a better detective (or at least, the potential to become a better detective) than Dick, and that’s fine. But this sadly seems to come with a lack of emphasis…
The Dick Grayson I grew up with WAS logical and intelligent. Of course he was. He was a detective, trained by the Batman since he was 8 years old until he was old enough to leave the nest.
If you can read “Who is Donna Troy” from the New Teen Titans series, the man basically tracked down Donna Troy’s biological mother with evidence (a rag doll) found in the remains of the demolished apartment building firemen found her in as a baby.
Dick Grayson is even shown using a laboratory.
All through his association with the Titans, he was written as having a logical mind and detective skills. He didn’t have any super powers, but he was the leader of the team because of his amazing mind.
^ This. If you read New Teen Titans, Dick was always very much characterized by logical intelligence. If you read this interview from 1998, for example, Marv Wolfman even talks about “Nightwing’s logical approach to life” being an essential part of the character that he took into account when conceptualizing the Titans.
I think what tends to happen is that Dick’s characterization fluctuates depending on the characters he’s surrounded by. Among the Titans, he (along with Vic and Donna) was “the logical one”, as opposed to characters like Kory, Gar, Roy and Wally who are all more emotional. And sure enough, even in later years, when you see Dick surrounded by the Titans he once again falls back into the role of “the logical one”:

(This scene is from Devin Grayson’s Titans run, and while we all know I have plenty negative to say about Devin Grayson, one thing she almost invariably gets right is her ability to portray Dick as someone who is both logically intelligent and emotionally expressive. Something you see even in this scene, I think - at first you see Dick very much in “Batman mode”, all steely logic and focus… and then he cracks a joke, and you’re reminded that he’s not Batman, he’s Dick. Very good characterization, IMO.)
But when Dick is surrounded by the Batfamily, as opposed to the Titans or a similar group, that side of him tends to get emphasized far less. Why? Because the Batfamily as a group are all defined by being logical - they’re detectives. It’s what they do. And that’s especially true of the members Dick interacted with most (until Damian came along, anyway) - Bruce, and Babs, and Tim. All characters who are defined by being highly intelligent and highly logical. So if you play up that aspect of Dick when he’s with them, there’s no contrast. Dick can’t be “the logical one” when he’s interacting with characters who are equally logical.
As a result, when you see Dick interacting with those characters, he tends to fall into the role of “the emotional one” as opposed to “the logical one”:

An important thing to understand: These are both legitimate sides of Dick’s character. He is both highly emotional and logical, and if you lose one of those aspects, his characterization is going to come out skewed. A good writer is able to balance both sides of his character; a bad writer focuses too much on creating false dichotomies between him and other characters, and ends up ignoring large aspects of who he is.
With Dick and Tim specifically, this idea of them as The Emotional One and The Logical One actually took quite a bit of time to evolve. If you look at some of their earliest interactions, you see Dick very much in the role of The Logical One:

Which makes sense, because Tim was still honing his detective skills here, and Dick was teaching him. Therefore, it makes sense to emphasize Dick’s logical side. It’s also relevant that this is NTT-era Dick, written by Marv Wolfman, and Dick was always characterized more as a logically intelligent character in that era, as I’ve explained above.
By the time you get to Nightwing #6 (1997, written by Chuck Dixon), you see their roles evolving:

Tim is now the “more cerebral” one, being contrasted with Dick’s “streetsmarts”. (If any of the Robins are particularly street-smart I would’ve said it was Jason and Steph, but ok.)
But, note that Tim also tells Dick that “I’m not half the detective you are” - an interesting comment, considering that in recent years Tim is generally acknowledged as the best detective in the Batfamily after Bruce, with the potential to outstrip even him.
And there’s nothing wrong with that. Tim was a character defined by being cerebral from the start, and it makes perfect sense for his detective skills to be where his character truly shines - even to the point where he eventually outpaces Dick.
The important thing here, though, is that Tim’s skills evolving shouldn’t make Dick’s magically regress, and when writers forget that Dick can think logically or has detective skills just because he happens to be standing next to Tim (or Bruce, or Babs), we have a problem.
So, apparently Jason has a thing for just standing around and staring at his helmets.
Looking extremely hot while doing so
Not that I’m complaining, mind you.
Not at all.
I’m not sure what to think.
Is it wrong that the first thing that came to mind was that I want them back together like they were before the reboot?
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As requested, my request drawings have been made rebloggable, but I’m going to group a bunch of them together so I don’t spam up your feeds and my own tumblr.
Wonder Girl and Robin goofing off together, as requested by luanna225
*squeals with excitement* Thank you so much for drawing this for me!! And thank you as well for making the drawings rebloggable, like I requested. :-)
This is absolutely adorable! I love how Dick is just nonchalantly reading while Donna has him up in the air like that, haha. And yay for Donna being a strong and powerful Amazon in every sense of the word!
This is wonderful! <3
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Dick Grayson: Giving every single guy he comes into contact with an inferiority complex since 1940.
(OK not literally but sometimes it sure does seem that way.)
(Jason isn’t even included in this post because Jason is an entirely different can of worms.)
(Further thoughts after the cut.)
From Robin: Year One.
I was just remembering that I saw a panel just like this with Damian?
Yep! It’s from Streets of Gotham #10:

And for comparison, here’s the full scene with Dick:
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I’m not sure if it was an intentional reference (it probably wasn’t), but the two scenes are very similar, most definitely.
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Also, am I the only one who kind of misses this costume for Roy?
I mean, the sunglasses were kind of silly, but I like the bodysuit itself. The Navajo influences were really neat.
No, I liked this costume too. I think it’s my favorite of grown-up!Roy’s costumes. The Red Arrow costume (and the name itself) were too “exactly like Ollie, but red” for my taste, you know? The whole Arsenal shtick was more about Roy as an individual, which I like better.
If you look at a history of Roy’s costumes, I really do think this one was the best of the bunch (can we talk about his original Arsenal costume because YIKES). I like the Navajo influences, too. It’s VERY depending on the artist, and there’s room for improvement, but overall it’s not a bad look. I like how Phil Jimenez drew it in my background picture:

(Phil Jimenez could probably make a character wearing a garbage bag look good, though.)
… Also, LOL, that cover never fails to crack me up. xD
[Batman and Robin #9]
Dick, you have no right to be this pretty.
I never get tired of Cameron Stewart’s Dick Grayson.
God he’s so gorgeous
*nodnod*
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You weren’t at the funeral. People asked about you.
Dick really fucked up with Jason. Both Bruce and Dick did, in a sense. I think that’s why he was such a good brother for Tim.
Uh, how did Dick fuck up again? For one thing, he was on another planet when Jason died, and for another, Bruce even didn’t tell him about Jason’s death.
# i want to type out a long rant but I have to head out in a few minutes # i can’t recall where these particular panels are from though
They’re from New Titans #55. (The issue where Dick finds out about Jason’s death. Also the infamous Bruce-punches-Dick issue.)
And thank you! I was going to comment on this myself, but it’s nice to see that my work has been done for me. :-)
Frankly, I’ve always been amazed that Bruce actually had the nerve to try and turn this around on Dick, when he was the one who, y’know, couldn’t be bothered to tell Dick that his little brother had died, let alone when the funeral was. (Not that this was an isolated incident - in this time period, Bruce seemed to love trying to blame Dick for situations that he himself had created, which tends to make me distinctly uncomfortable when you consider that transferring blame is one of the key signs of an emotional abuser. And when you add in the fact that this scene ends with Bruce punching Dick in the face and throwing him out, the abusive undertones here become… well, not really undertones anymore. I could go on for quite a while about how disturbing I find all of this, but, uh, I should probably stop here.)
I mean, I get that Bruce was grieving, but the way he acts throughout this entire issue just makes me cringe. (Which is the point, of course… but that doesn’t make it less painful to watch.)
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- The New Titans 60
The Titans are looking for Dick. Several things to note about this:
- They’re really putting in an effort to find him!
- Dick’s a slob. People who are very tidy in their heads tend to not be so tidy with the things around them. Super-smart detective equals slobby cleaning tendencies.
- I have too high thoughts about Tim and don’t want him to have taken something from Dick’s safe, but he is the only one who can have done it.
- Roy! Nice seeing you again. :)
Interesting about the slob thing. I’m smart, but my brain is like a pinball machine, so I try to keep my living space tidy so that SOMETHING is organized. :)
I don’t actually think there’s one way that all smart people are, but in Dick’s case, his messy habits are well-established canon, going back to the days when he was living in the Manor and Bruce would complain about it:

(Scan from Batman #217, 1969, which was the issue where Dick left for college. I always think this scene is precious, because it’s just so utterly parental that even when Bruce is getting all emotional about Dick leaving, he’s still commenting on how messy his room is, haha.)
Tim is also canonically a slob, BTW, despite the fact that I sometimes see fans headcanoning him as some kind of neat-freak:


(Scans from Robin #43 and #45 via fragileicicle, who is my go-to source on all things Tim Drake.)
Are any of the Batkids actually neat? It would be funny if it actually turned out to be, like, Jason who was the neat one or something.
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Dick, you’re so spoiled.
#honestly dick #i mean really #he’s such a rich kid though #like he’d totally deny it because he’s from the CIRCUS #but in reality he’s basically been a billionaire since he was eight #damian is the most spoilt no-one can argue with that #but i think dick and tim really do take being incredibly rich… well #not exactly for granted #but they’ve never had to worry about money themselves ever and that obviously gives a certain perspective #on life you know #obviously they’re batkids they’re hardly sheltered #but it wouldn’t really occur to them that having no money is a thing that could happen to them #(jason is a whole nother story but these tags are long and stupid enough already)
It isn’t really true that having to worry about money is something Dick’s never known, though. In New Teen Titans #60 (I don’t have a scan, but I’ve just read this recently so you’ll have to believe me), there’s this scene where Mr. Haly is telling Dick about how even in the “good old days”, the circus was barely breaking even in terms of money. And if the circus was barely breaking even, the performers were getting paid next to nothing, including Dick and his parents.
I wouldn’t necessarily say Dick worried about that (Mr. Haly comments in the same scene that no one cared if the circus was struggling because “we were having fun!” which is, I think, the attitude Dick was raised to have about money - it doesn’t matter how much or how little you have, as long as you’re doing something you love), but his family did struggle financially somewhat. He certainly wasn’t poor on the level of Jason, or even Steph, but the Graysons weren’t exactly rolling in spare cash, either.
I think a lot of fans tend to assume (see: this post, for example) that because the Flying Graysons were so awesomely talented they must have been totally rich and famous, but the canon doesn’t really support that, IMO. There doesn’t seem to be much canon evidence that they were necessarily even particularly well-known, and it’s outright stated that the circus struggled financially. I mean, the thing is… show biz isn’t an easy business, and being awesomely talented isn’t necessarily a guarantee of financial security. Even Harry freakin’ Houdini had times when he was down to his last five dollars.
That doesn’t negate the privilege that Dick came into when Bruce took him in, but it’s still a necessary distinction that, unlike Bruce and Tim and Damian, he wasn’t born into that privilege. (Something Bruce outright states in this scene - “Dick wasn’t like me. He didn’t come from a world of privilege.”)
What is true is that Dick has something of a “rich-boy” attitude in that he has no problem solving problems by throwing money at them, and I could find you example after example of that. (“Haly’s Circus might be going out of business? No problem, I’ll just buy it!” “Bounty on Amy’s head? No problem, I’ll just pay more!” “Oh, and Bruce, could you just buy me this building? And this one and this one and this one. You’re the best!”)
It’s interesting because as a rule, Dick doesn’t seem to like the idea of living off of Bruce’s charity (one of the reasons he works for a living, even though he has no financial need to), but when he sees a way that he can use money to help someone or facilitate his work as Nightwing, he has absolutely no problem asking Bruce for huge sums of money - or using his connections.
I tend to think wealth and privilege are things Dick isn’t entirely comfortable with - he’s more at home in a small apartment than a mansion - but he also has no problem using them to his advantage, especially for something he considers a good cause. In that second aspect, he’s a lot like Bruce, who (IMO) sees money mainly as just another tool that can be useful in his larger mission. The difference is that Bruce, having been born into a life of wealth, feels more natural in that lifestyle than Dick does.
Caroline Sharp, aka distractedbyshinyobjects, as Barbara Gordon/Batgirl.
Because you would be a flawless Babsgirl, my dear, and there needed to be at least one fancast for you in the tag.
And hopefully someday you’ll have the chance to show the world how absolutely awesome you would be in this role. ;-)
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